Einstein's Relativity and Everyday Life -- Clifford M. Will

This is who is talking:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....53098/abd6fadea0a31456?hl=en#abd6fadea0a31456

Of course, it was people like you who started the holocaust. You must
be ashamed of yourself and you have been warned of your harrassing
behavior.

Mike

 

Cool! I'll be reprinting this on my web site, unless you object.
http://imaginary_nematode.home.comcast.net

Jerry

 

Wolfgang S. Rupprecht

The relativistic clock correction goes with the potential,
not with the force. So with 1/r, so 4 times is OK.

Note that the original text doesn't say 'force',

Jan

 

On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:38:37 +0000 (UTC),

Thank you Steve. As an aid to other initiates, I found I could access
Pioneer Anomalyonly if I entered exactly "find k PIONEER ANOMALY",
since entering just Pioneer Anomaly drew only question marks. The "k"
indicates keyword, and somewhere you can find a list of KeyWords that
qualify.

Other than that, does anyone else get the impression, from the
content of all those titles, that something, somewhere, has gone
terribly, terribly wrong? Should serious, intensively trained people
be writing drivel like this in the guise of gravity and general
relativity? It is the same sort of fare in Phys. Rev D, the gravity
guideline. Even Ptolemy would be revulsed.

The journals prosper mightily from publishing this nonsense and the
NSF will fund the stuff. It is not likely that authors bother to read
their compatriots' material.

The next game might be to see if it is possible to blend "Transverse
Fierz-Pauli symmetry" with "Dynamical generation of fuzzy extra
dimensions", as seems likely, since one topic is right below the
other.

As I mention in my book, I once tried to post an article "The vacuum-a
proposed blueprint" and was told that "it was too far from the level
of current research in the field to be appropriate for Physical Review
D". You can see it as the permittivity paper #1 on my website in
which I derive the properties of the "quantum vacuum" from scratch.

John Polasek
http://www.dualspace.net

 

John C. Polasek wrote:

You are totally nuts, your so-called "theory contains only a sea of
formulas thrown together with no derivation whatsoever. I got so far as
the "Reason for the failure of the Michelson - Morley experiment". You
need to seek medical help (psychiatric, to be exact).

 

No problem. Just be sure to include a date -- these papers are
for the seven days through June 5, 2006.

Steve Carlip

 

You read the wrong paper, the gravity one. You can't count. I said
paper #1 and you read #2. But you did get to Fig. 7. Did you skim over
"the cause of gravity" on page 1?

The reason for the nullity of the MM experiment is exactly as I showed
in the diagram, and it's the same as in relativity using (ict x y z)
except everyone seems too dull to notice:
Upstream it's ic + v
Dnstream it's ic - v
c and v are always at right angles and the hypotenuse of such a sum is
the same either way. Therefore, no fringes.

I have already pointed out that the reason for having this inane
metric tensor with -1 1 1 1 is to disguise ict into just another
dimension, ct. And it is a big lie. Time can't be mixed with x y z,
and lot of people are starting to take notice.
Everyone is so ga-ga about the metric tensor that they haven't taken
the time to notice that it isn't a tensor at all. It's an arranged
matrix. It cannot tolerate a similarity transform.

Or maybe you can explain it to me.

John Polasek
http://www.dualspace.net

 

John C. Polasek wrote:

You ARE Totally nuts. Seek psychiatric help.

 

"dda1" raises a good point when he talks about:
"kooks talking nonsense."

After Newton's model,
there were immediate and rapid advances
in mechanics, astronomy, etc.

After Maxwell's model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in chemistry, electricity, etc.

After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.

Here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
and it continues to generate more hype and heat
than light and advances.

General Relativity is a Tower of Babel
that wastes time, money and minds on such
pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves, etc.

As thousands of "kooks" have been brainwashed by the Einstein lobby,
and are constantly talking nonsense,
it is an enormous waste of time, money and minds.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

--
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When I travel about China
and see street fortune tellers with a crowd about them,
listening to their every word,
and when I see astrologers hyping their knowledge of the stars,

it always makes me think about Clifford M. Will
and the other people on the taxpayer dole,
who con gullible folks into thinking that they
are privy to powerful esoteric knowledge.

It seems to me that if fortune tellers, astrologers,
and General Relativity tellers
were privy to such powerful esoteric knowledge,
that they would USE IT,
rather then TALK ABOUT IT.

Rational, intelligent, inventive, practical folks know
that it does not take 13 hacks of General Relativity to account for the
"38 microseconds per day, the XXXXXX offset in the rates of
the satellite clocks", when a simple equation discovered
by Galileo does the job better.

Note that what Clifford M. Will called "relativistic offset"
could be more honestly called "Galileo offset".

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

--
Tom Potter
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A $30B+ industry, applying relativity to create a global
infrastructure benefiting people all over the world got
your goat, eh Potter (Willy Lowman).

 

Yes, Tom , don't stress the few grey cells you have in smearing what
you can't understand.

 

God damn! I wish the Thunderbird folks would come through on my
request that one be able to kill a subthread leaving the rest alone.
The subthread following this idiot's ravings clearly shows the need.


Bob

 

Exactly, Einstein was right on this account. SR is too simple, but GR
is way too complicated as a description/explanation/characterization of
gravitation. Einstein should have taken his own advice. He should not
have endorsed Poincare's SR. Years later, he should tell Hilbert to
keep that Lagrangian where Hilbert's ass belong.

 

Huh? Has relativity suddenly become controversial?
Still, our lab attracts quantum-mechanics nutters
from time to time, so I suppose it's only logical
that there should be relativity nutters too. Are
there any Boyles Law loonies or Snell's Law weirdos
out there too?

-Tim
(Fully paid up member of the international physics conspiracy)

 

Yep - stop wasting yours in k00kscreed.

--
The greatest enemy of science is psuedoscience.

"Time is pseudo-directional because randomness is always pseudo-random..."
Jeff revolutionises physics in sci.physics.

"Now there's two stuck naysay lose cannons and a third sick puppy on the way."
Brad tries to reason with the voices in his head...

 

It is interesting to see that Tim
is ignorant of the fact that a simple law
discovered by Galileo over 200 years ago,

( f = f0 * ( 1 + 1/2 * g * distance / C^2) )

does a better job of accounting for the offset
in the GPS satellites, than the 13 hacks of GTR
used by some people on the taxpayer dole.

It appears, that Tim,
like many "weirdos" <sic> , "loonies" and "nutters"
has been conditioned to believe
all of the GTR Urban Legends.

Note for example, that Tim, like most GTR Parrots,
who understand little physics and nothing about GTR,
uses the standard tactic of constructing strawmen,
(Quantum Mechanics, Boyles Law, and Snell's Law)
and trying to make the messenger the issue.

After Newton's model,
there were immediate and rapid advances
in mechanics, astronomy, etc.

After Maxwell's model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in chemistry, electricity, etc.

After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.

Here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
and it continues to generate more hype and heat
than light and advances.

General Relativity is a Tower of Babel
that wastes time, money and minds on such
pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves, etc.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

I will be looking forward to seeing Tim use his mind,
rather than a conditioned reflex,
and demonstrating the utility of GTR
compared to Quantum Mechanics, Boyles Law, and Snell's Law.

--
Tom Potter
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As I pointed out,
after Newton's model,
there were immediate and rapid advances
in mechanics, astronomy, etc.

After Maxwell's model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in chemistry, electricity, etc.

After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.

Here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
and it continues to generate more hype and heat
than light and advances.

I suggest that General Relativity is a Tower of Babel
that wastes time, money and minds on such
pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves, etc.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

And as can be seen by Phineas T Puddleduck post,
which tries to make the messenger the issue:
"A wasted mind is a terrible thing."

--
Tom Potter
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You have absolutely no idea how GPS Works.

www.eftaylor.com - download the project chapter of Exploring Blackholes.

--
The greatest enemy of science is psuedoscience.

"Time is pseudo-directional because randomness is always pseudo-random..."
Jeff revolutionises physics in sci.physics.

"Now there's two stuck naysay lose cannons and a third sick puppy on the way."
Brad tries to reason with the voices in his head...

 

Conveniently ignoring the fact I've pointed you to a simple proof of
GR's maths in GPS.

But here the messenger is the issue, as you're unscientific. If it
looks like a k00k, and quacks like a k00k...

--
The greatest enemy of science is psuedoscience.

"Time is pseudo-directional because randomness is always pseudo-random..."
Jeff revolutionises physics in sci.physics.

"Now there's two stuck naysay lose cannons and a third sick puppy on the way."
Brad tries to reason with the voices in his head...