The difference between the clock speed on the GPS satellites and the
speed that the same clock would run at on the ground appears to be
well established.
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Your evidence for this prejudice?
http://www.phys.lsu.edu/mog/mog9/node9.html
In summary, Ashby provides quite a detailed description of the
difference in clock speed observed in the clocks in the GPS satellites
vs the speed that is observed when the same clock runs on the ground.
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Really? Perhaps Ashby should bring one back to the ground
and check again. You did say "same clock", right?
Have these observations been discredited?
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Not the point. The question should be "Have these observations been
independently verified?"
As I've already told you, no two satellites keep exactly the same time
anyway. But look at the bottom of the page.
The name there is Jorge Pullin , not Ashby. You are looking at a page
written by a student which contains NO data, merely assertion.
Why would you trust the word of a mere schoolmarm or student?
He's no engineer, that's for sure.
If so, I would be
interested to read a rational explanation of why they should not be
believed, or a description of some other way they should be
interpreted.
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See this pencil:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/geoopt/optpic/brokpen.jpg
It is bent and broken. Anyone can see it is. I would be interested to read
a rational explanation of why this magic should not be believed.
I'd like something with a bit more meat than just hand waving.
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Then produce it. You are showing me Jorge Pullin's hand-waving
that he obtained second hand (presumably from Ashby) and asking
if it has been discredited. Did Jorge Pullin or Ashby actually
do any experiment on a satellite clock?
Something that actually addresses the technical side of the problem,
rather than becoming a religious debate between the pro-relativity and
the anti-relativity churches.
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What problem? GPS works within its stated tolerance, the guts
of the system is in the receiver, satellites are regularly updated
with time and ephemeris data from ground stations to keep them
in synch and known position, the only "problem" IS a religious
debate.
Help me out here. I'm sure there are some bright guys in the anti-
relativity camp who can either explain these apparent clock
observations, or provide a rational alternative explanation for them.
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I have helped you. The Holey Church of Relativity has its high
priests and accolytes, the word of Pope Einstein is sacrosanct,
and just like the Catholic Church believes Christ was born of
a Virgin I simply don't intend to explain it. The rational explanation
is Mary was fucked, but if you don't believe that there is not much
I can do to convince you otherwise. There have been con-artists
and the gullible throughout history, Einstein was just one more of
them.
I would be interested to learn of any published
papers that show a calculation of what the clock speed difference
should be, using effects other than relativity.
Or, could one of the "relativity doesn't exist" folks detail a
calculation of what the clock speed difference should be, using the
causes that you consider as most likely. If your approach is valid, I
would expect that it should yield the clock speed difference that has
been observed on the GPS satellites.
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No "clock speed difference" has been observed, other than the normal
differences one would expect from one clock to another. My wrist
watch doesn't keep exact pace with my computer, neither do I expect
it to as long as it is reasonable and +/- 3 minutes a year is adequate.
I can still time a car journey with it as accurately as I'll ever need.
Indeed, no two satellites keep exactly the same time either, and
there are FIVE atomic clocks being averaged at the US Naval
Observatory, so obviously they don't keep exact time individually
either.
Supposedly, cesium atomic clocks have an accuracy on the ground of
"from 2 to 3 parts in 10 to the 14th".:
http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/cesium.html
The difference in clock speed seen in the GPS satellite clocks is
reported to be on the order of 440 parts in 10 to the 12th, which is
several orders of magnitude worse than the accuracy seen on the
ground. So it isn't clear to me how these differences can be
explained away as simple clock to clock variation. What am I
missing? What physical effects are causing this?
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I gave you the clue. You've chosen to snip and ignore it.
Now you want my help? You must fucking joking! Your mother
can wipe your arse for you but still have to shit for yourself.
I'll give it to you one more time:
What kind of lunacy prompted Einstein to say
the speed of light from A to B is c-v,
the speed of light from B to A is c+v,
the "time" each way is the same?
Here it is:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img22.gif
The dorks will deny he ever did.
According to Cretin
[email protected]
Easy: he did NOT say that.
According to cretin van lintel, Einstein did not write the equation he
wrote.
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According to Imbecile Jimmy Black:
" In neither system (meaning frame of reference in modern-day terminology)
is the speed of light c-v or c+v. In both systems the speed of light is c."
According to Imbecile Jimmy Black, Einstein did not write the equation he
wrote.
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According to Cretin Dork Bruere
I don't give a damn what Einstein wrote.
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According to Lying Little Shit Matthew Johnson
And even the question is wrong! For he never said any such thing.
This should be painfully obvious from what he _did_ say,
namely, that the vacuum speed of light is a constant of nature,
invariant under all admissable [sic] transformations between
inertial reference frames.
Apparently LLS Matthew Johnson has rewritten Einstein's paper.
A team of scientists working under the direction of researchers from the
University of Sussex have recently discovered that Einstein did not say
"inertial".
According to LLS Matthew Johnson, Einstein did not write the equation he
wrote.
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According to Chief Wanker Uncle Stooopid Schwartz:
"c+v appears nowhere in the paper, nor could it. [sic]
According to Chief Wanker Uncle Stooopid, Einstein did not write the
equation he wrote.
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