Clarification about the term "GPS Shutdown"

Discussion in 'General GPS Discussion' started by Sam Wormley, Dec 16, 2004.

  1. Sam Wormley

    Mxsmanic Guest

    No, but with GPS you're less likely to have to do so.
     
    Mxsmanic, Dec 30, 2004
  2. Sam Wormley

    Dave Baker Guest

    I did previously - ourselves & all our competitors. Tracking of vessels
    around the world using GPS & Inmarsat.
    Completely irrelevant in our case as we have no stockholders.
    Of course - we will shut down until GPS comes back on.
    Plenty - 30 or so staff out of work for starters.
    24 minutes would be maximum.
    Exactly what I asked you, as I am unaware of any workarounds.
    For tracking ships remotely.

    Dave

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    Dave Baker, Dec 31, 2004
  3. Sam Wormley

    Dave Baker Guest

    Read more closely - we are not interested in whether the crew know where they
    are - the OWNER ( sitting in his office on the 25th floor of some building in
    Singapore) wants to know where all his ships are, just in case something
    like...maybe a tsunami or similar...happens to hit. He also wants to be
    alerted immediately something goes wrong with the vessel, be it attacked by
    pirates or going out of it's designated shipping lane.
    Irrelevant in our case. They spend most of their time not near shore.
    And then they have to type that information into a system that can transmit
    that data back to Singapore - every 15 minutes. It's not going to happen.
    Not when they are working around oil fields with cables & pipelines all over
    the place.
    And our core business. A business that didn't exist before Inmarsat D+/GPS
    transceivers became available.

    Dave

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    Dave Baker, Dec 31, 2004
  4. Sam Wormley

    Dave Baker Guest

    Actually I don't think they did - I'm not even sure it is a rule. I've been
    on tens of vessels with AIS sitting in the main navigation area.

    Maybe SSAS? That is required to be hidden, but from pirates, not ship crew.

    AIS has password protection for certain parameters like vessel name, ship
    length & breadth, callsign, etc, to stop tampering by crews, but usually the
    installation manuals are left on board & have the password written down.

    Dave

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    Dave Baker, Dec 31, 2004
  5. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    When did this become a newsgroup moderated by you, already a
    self-declared ass?
     
    kashe, Jan 1, 2005
  6. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    I can keep that from happening at least as long as the
    batteries you're carrying will last.

    And a second map and compass are not that hard to carry.

    If you posit an attack by paper-eating moths, I'm leaving.
     
    kashe, Jan 1, 2005
  7. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    I recall an account of a man who sailed a converted St. Pierre
    dory across the Atlantic to Europe using only a fairly good compass
    and a plastic Davis training sextant which cost only about $35 at the
    time, some thirty years ago.

    Around the same time, I had a cheap Timex watch which lost a
    very consistent 18 seconds a month, regardless of my level of
    activity. That should be consistent enough drift for navigation.
     
    kashe, Jan 1, 2005
  8. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    Ideally, in a Catholic church, the front door points west. The
    gospel was read from the left side (toward the heathens in the north)
    and the epistle was read from the right side (toward the Christians to
    the south).
     
    kashe, Jan 1, 2005

  9. Maps can get eaten by paper eating moths before moths can eat a GPS. G'day
    mate and don't let the door bang you in the arse as you leave.
     
    Italy Anonymous Remailer, Jan 1, 2005
  10. Well bloke, I haven't seen a bigger dipstick then you. Slag off.
     
    Italy Anonymous Remailer, Jan 1, 2005
  11. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    Lousy method anyway.
    Hang around till nightfall -- it gets considerably easier.
    A watch has already been posited for the purpose.
    Elementary. Follow the outermost two stars in the Big Dipper
    about five times their distancefrom the top of the dipper. If you
    didn't know this, why are you discussing mavigation anyway?

    It gets more difficult in the southern hemisphere.
    Not if you know as little as you seem to know about finding
    north.
     
    kashe, Jan 1, 2005
  12. Old ground mate. This thread died. Now I know why they made kill filters.
    *Plonk*
     
    Italy Anonymous Remailer, Jan 1, 2005
  13. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    Which is toward Mecca -- not necessarily due east.
    And the dishes can point to anywhere on the equator the
    satellite of interest is above. In the central US, this could be well
    to either side of south. A better method would be to check the
    orientation of solar cells on the telephone kiosks on a freeway. They
    should generally point south to get the maximum solar radiation
    throughout the day, barring nearby clumps of trees. But if you're lost
    on a freeway, I think you have a larger problem anyway.
     
    kashe, Jan 1, 2005
  14. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    Actually you can then plot an east-west line directly. And it
    need not take a whole day, if you've had access to a boy scout manual.
    You check the altitude -- before noon the altitude increases;
    after noon it decreases.
     
    kashe, Jan 1, 2005
  15. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    Any chance you'd be willing to provide specific details on
    what you've done in practice? So far your arguments seem merely to be
    an extended troll -- no more than a child asking, "Why?" after each
    answer a parent provides.
     
    kashe, Jan 1, 2005
  16. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    Obviously it was sited by the same morons who built the
    cathedrals right in the middle of the busiest, most crowded parts of
    town. :)
     
    kashe, Jan 1, 2005
  17. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    Up? And will you have trouble establishing where that is as
    well?
    Check when you stop to pee. Or do you do that in motion, too?
    Because you ask tot goddamned many stupid questions. The pilot
    just got sufficiently pissed off.
    Of course they're used by both civilians and that subset of
    civilians known as terrorists.
    Are you going to believe the professionally prepared map or
    your own two lying eyes? :)

    And after all this, I have to assume you have the integrity to
    use a non-mapping GPS unit. We wouldn't want the device to be misled
    by all those unreliable maps within.
     
    kashe, Jan 1, 2005
  18. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    For all cases -- blub, blub, by blub, blub.
     
    kashe, Jan 1, 2005
  19. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    As in continuous, heavy, wet tree cover, where a map and
    compass aren't fazed..
     
    kashe, Jan 1, 2005
  20. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    Directly at the sun not required. In any case, when very
    young, I looked at an eclipse long enough to get a burn on my retina.
    It took a considerable length of time.
     
    kashe, Jan 1, 2005
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