Clarification about the term "GPS Shutdown"

Discussion in 'General GPS Discussion' started by Sam Wormley, Dec 16, 2004.

  1. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    Oops, I retract my prior blub, blub comments -- didn't notice
    the "E".
     
    kashe, Jan 1, 2005
  2. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    Where do you live? Where I work, people in wheelchairs are
    assigned a couple or three people whose defined duty is to evacuate
    the person in the wheelchair, leaving the wheelchair behind.
     
    kashe, Jan 1, 2005
  3. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    Until there's a much larger installed base, I doubt that
    failure of auto navigation will be all that big an issue. 95% of the
    male population still refuses to stop to ask for directions.

    Plaintive question from my mother-in-law -- Bill, if we're
    going home from Monterey to San Francisco, what's the ocean doing on
    my side of the car?
     
    kashe, Jan 1, 2005
  4. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    Which, according to the document in question, the US
    government intends to shut down as well (given the capability, which
    they will try to acquire) -- it's that short phrase containing the
    word "similar" or "other".
     
    kashe, Jan 1, 2005
  5. Sam Wormley

    Mxsmanic Guest

    As long as he stays at the same latitude and departs from the right
    point, it's easy enough to do. Mariners have been doing it for
    centuries. The continents of Europe and the Americas are hard to miss
    if you sail due east or west on the Atlantic. But changing longitude is
    a different matter, unless you have a good clock.
     
    Mxsmanic, Jan 1, 2005
  6. Sam Wormley

    Mxsmanic Guest

    It just gets darker, especially with all that overcast hiding the
    moonlight.
    All I see is clouds.
     
    Mxsmanic, Jan 1, 2005
  7. Sam Wormley

    Mxsmanic Guest

    But you don't know it's noon until it changes direction, and that can
    take hours.
     
    Mxsmanic, Jan 1, 2005
  8. Sam Wormley

    Mxsmanic Guest

    I use a simple GPS to drive around open countryside by car, at night, in
    an overcast. It consistently works extremely well, and the problem of
    meeting obstacles is not so great as you suppose. Even when I come
    across a river, I just follow the shore until I find a bridge. The
    greater the overall distance, the smaller the necessary detours tend to
    become. And in many cases a GPS has showed me a more direct route to my
    destination than I would have determined from a map.
     
    Mxsmanic, Jan 1, 2005
  9. Sam Wormley

    Mxsmanic Guest

    Some pilots are ruled by reason rather than emotion--especially those
    who manage to survive in a crisis.
    If terrorists are a subset of civilians, then how can stopping GPS have
    a significant crippling effect on terrorists without having the same
    effect on all other civilians?
    I'll believe my eyes.
    I agree.
     
    Mxsmanic, Jan 1, 2005
  10. Sam Wormley

    Mxsmanic Guest

    Wet trees should not be too much of a problem. And neither a map nor a
    compass will tell you where you are.
     
    Mxsmanic, Jan 1, 2005
  11. Sam Wormley

    Mxsmanic Guest

    This is based on procedures for the U.S.
    So they can all die together. As long as everyone else has been
    evacuated, no problem. But killing half the passengers just to get a
    wheelchair-bound person out of the plane is completely irrational, and
    that's why it isn't done.
     
    Mxsmanic, Jan 1, 2005
  12. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    At worst, to the source of the tramsmission.
     
    kashe, Jan 1, 2005
  13. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    Often != always, nor even frequently.
    Read up on how pre-flight fuel loads are calculated.
     
    kashe, Jan 2, 2005
  14. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    We _ in particular, you_, don't know exactly how GPS would be
    "turned off. So you're just pulling total catastrophe scenarios out of
    your butt, with zero knowledgr of how it would be turned off and
    precious little knowledgre of other relevant issues. Like how often a
    map and compass fail, relative to how often GPS units fail.

    Note that not remembering how a GPS unit works led one person
    to call in an air strike on his own position -- not likely with map
    and compass.

    Note also that GPS units are capable of frequent anomalous
    readings, like a person bicycling east in Scotland having his unit
    suddenly showing hom heading west at 50K feet and 400mph over the
    south Pacific.
     
    kashe, Jan 2, 2005
  15. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    And they should be aware that the US will do whatever is
    required to make sure they can disable Galileo at the same time as
    GPS. Please re-read the directive where it includes other, similar
    systems.
     
    kashe, Jan 2, 2005
  16. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    Ask the homeless in the US. Or anyone who voted for Kerry.
     
    kashe, Jan 2, 2005
  17. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    They are each "primary" as conditions dictate.Your feet may be
    primary in moving you toward an unseen object; within visual range,
    your eyes become primary; within reach, to pick it up, your hand
    becomes primary.
     
    kashe, Jan 2, 2005
  18. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    And how can we have primary elections in many states? :)
     
    kashe, Jan 2, 2005
  19. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    How likely is it this compared to all engines quitting at the
    same time? In any case, the discussion here is about the primacy of
    GPS, which would likely stop working at the same time as the rest of
    your doomsday scenario. It would likely take a total loss of
    electrical power, which likely entails loss of usefulness of all
    control surfaces.
     
    kashe, Jan 2, 2005
  20. Sam Wormley

    kashe Guest

    As has been stated, you decrease the density. Just out of
    curiosity, what exact length of full, worldwide shutdown of GPS are
    you assuming for your crackpot scenarios? One hour, day, month,
    decade? If you want all of the above, you'd be better off planning how
    you'll survive the catastrophe in your own house on the ground.
     
    kashe, Jan 2, 2005
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