Einstein's Relativity and Everyday Life -- Clifford M. Will

Discussion in 'General GPS Discussion' started by Sam Wormley, Jun 5, 2006.

  1. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest

    Light propagating at c falls out of Maxwell's equation.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_Light
     
    Sam Wormley, Jun 9, 2006
  2. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest

    See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Relativity
     
    Sam Wormley, Jun 9, 2006
  3. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest

    What "oscillators" other than the pendulum did Galileo with?
     
    Sam Wormley, Jun 9, 2006
  4. Sam Wormley

    Tom Potter Guest

    Go ahead.
    Make my day!

    My target audience are mature, moral, rational, intelligent people,
    not immature, brain-washed parrots and cultists.

    Regarding your question:
    "Can you explain the discrepancy of around 40 arc seconds of arc per
    century in Mercury's orbit <without GTR>?"

    It is easy to generate many models (Equations) that fit some set of data,
    but this does not mean that the model is useful
    and viable, particularly if the model wastes
    time, money and minds, on such pursuits as
    time travel, worm holes, gravitons, warped spaces,
    rubber space and time, dragging space around, etc.

    GTR is an auguring model that does not have a place
    for intelligent beings who can affect their environment.

    After Newton's model,
    there were immediate and rapid advances
    in mechanics, astronomy, etc.

    After Maxwell's model
    there were immediate and rapid advances
    in chemistry, electricity, etc.

    After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
    there were immediate and rapid advances
    in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
    the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.

    Here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
    and it continues to generate more hype and heat
    than light and advances.

    General Relativity is a Tower of Babel
    that generates more heat than light,
    and wastes time, money and minds.

    I guarantee you this,
    you will never make a dime using your knowledge of GTR
    UNLESS you get it from taxpayers or gullible people.

    A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

    Bye bye.

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    Tom Potter, Jun 9, 2006
  5. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest

    NASA is not part of the GPS picture.

    What "oscillators" other than the pendulum did Galileo with?

    GPS satellites are in Keplerian orbits and Einstein's
    relativity is an integral part of the GPS design, not
    just the orbiting atomic clock frequency offset.
     
    Sam Wormley, Jun 9, 2006
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    jon Guest

    6 - (Infinitiy -1). Tom's ego attempts to show everyone the light by
    shooting in the dark vs. the heat his right hand generates

    Since neither of those has chance of being sufficiently attenuated, the
    scientific community is busy at work considering the inclusion of
    Inifinity, its relationship either of the above play in this thread,
    and why never reaching for it is a Good Thing....

    <plonk>
     
    jon, Jun 9, 2006
  7. Sam Wormley

    dda1 Guest

    You are refuting jack shit. Stop masturbating, it will get you blind
    and dumb.Oh, wait, you are already born dumb.
     
    dda1, Jun 9, 2006
  8. Sam Wormley

    T Wake Guest

     
    T Wake, Jun 9, 2006
  9. Sam Wormley

    Sue... Guest

    << Ah so its not just Einstein thats wrong, its Maxwell too? >>

    "Wrong" may not be fair but the use of "displacement current"
    instead of an effective coupling structure mischaracterises nearfield
    energy exchange and therefor the nearfield speed of light.

    Hertz was radiating while Maxwell was just sloshing liquid around.
    Weber's equations were inherrently relativistic but had other
    problelms.

    Fitzpatrick (below) has an elegant trick to avoid getting into
    complex impedance and he describes it in detail.


    http://www.conformity.com/0102reflectionsfig3.gif
    http://www.conformity.com/0102reflections.html
    "Retarded potential"
    http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node50.html

    Observer dependent speed of light is, not surprisingly, a
    function of material structures, not of magical clocks.

    The magical clocks will apper on a plot of the near field
    wave impedance.

    Sue...
     
    Sue..., Jun 9, 2006
  10. Sam Wormley

    Bhanwara Guest

    Huh? Of course not. Somehow I think I am failing to explain
    the concept. To me it seems extremely simple and clear.

    I think this was my best shot at explaining empty-space-propagation.

    http://www.mukesh.ws/transmit2.html

    Once this becomes clear, then the medium issue becomes
    a non-issue, so the historical development can be viewed
    in the proper perspective. From that, it's very easy
    to get a different and simpler interpretation of Maxwell without
    needing to do the "mysterious science" stuff.
     
    Bhanwara, Jun 9, 2006
  11. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest

    A $30B+ industry, applying relativity to create a global
    infrastructure benefiting people all over the world got
    your goat, eh Potter (Willy Lowman).
     
    Sam Wormley, Jun 9, 2006
  12. Sam Wormley

    Bhanwara Guest

    Ok, maybe this is NOT as obvious to people as I thought.

    Once you understand empty-space-propagation, it seems
    obvious to me at least that "c" determines the velocity
    of light wrt the em field its propagating in. It's a wave,
    nothing more mysterious. The waves on the ocean have the
    wave velocity wrt the ocean. Sound waves have their
    velocity wrt the air they are travelling in. If you enclose
    that air in a supersonic jet, the sound velocity wrt that
    air still doesn't change.

    I didn't think it would need spelling out, so perhaps I am
    guilty of omission.
     
    Bhanwara, Jun 9, 2006
  13. Sam Wormley

    Bhanwara Guest

    And you have blind faith that something in there MUST
    refute my claim that GR is based upon SR (I assume
    you have this faith even without reading what I wrote)?
     
    Bhanwara, Jun 9, 2006
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    Bart Bailey Guest

    In Message-ID:<e6bcpr$d0p$> posted on Fri, 9 Jun 2006
    How much gravitational influence is experienced by an orbiting object,
    that isn't offset by the centrifugal force of its trajectory?
    I'm guessing there's about a zero net effect.
    If other than zero, the SV is either heading spaceward or crashing.
     
    Bart Bailey, Jun 9, 2006
  15. Sam Wormley

    Sue... Guest

    It takes at least two charges for an EM path.
    Charges have infinite extent.
    So where do you find the 'empty space' to apply such
    an explanation?

    Sue...
     
    Sue..., Jun 9, 2006
  16. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest

    All particles have wave-like properties
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave-particle_duality

    A medium, in the classical sense, is not required for propagation
    of photons (electromagnetic radiation).
     
    Sam Wormley, Jun 9, 2006
  17. Sam Wormley

    Bart Bailey Guest

    In Message-ID:<e6bhgj$g3m$> posted on Fri, 9 Jun 2006
    'waste' is a relative term,
    seems your arcane musings have entertained you,
    and in some measure other respondents here,
    so I wouldn't be so quick to characterize any of it as 'waste.
     
    Bart Bailey, Jun 9, 2006
  18. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest

    What you write out of ignorance has no bearing. A theory is only as
    good as its agreement with empirical data. To date, there has not
    been a prediction of SR or GTR that was contradicted by an observation.
     
    Sam Wormley, Jun 9, 2006
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    Bhanwara Guest

    Sam, That's just parroting -- I don't think you are familiar with
    the history of how that idea and "photons" and "duality" came
    about, or how silly it all looks if you understand
    empty-space-propagation
    as well as the history of that thought development. (To see
    the complete silliness of "duality", my electron-gun explanation
    stuff helps too. But again, you have to know the history.)

    And those who know and can understand that history, and can
    understand why those ideas' silliness now stands exposed, and
    who are authority figures to whom you would listen, aren't
    interested in giving you any honest explanations.
     
    Bhanwara, Jun 9, 2006
  20. Sam Wormley

    Bhanwara Guest

    But I thought you wanted to post a link that disproved
    my assertion that GR is based upon SR?
     
    Bhanwara, Jun 9, 2006
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