Einstein's Relativity and Everyday Life -- Clifford M. Will

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  1. Sam Wormley

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    Tom Potter, Jun 8, 2006
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    Tom Potter Guest

    Polly want a cracker?

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    Tom Potter Guest

    Polly want a cracker?

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    Sam Wormley Guest

    A $30B+ industry, applying relativity to create a global
    infrastructure benefiting people all over the world got
    your goat, eh Potter (Willy Lowman).
     
    Sam Wormley, Jun 8, 2006
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    Sam Wormley Guest

    Potter, yours are not "trivial errors". This is just one more
    example of you not having a clue about the basic operation of
    the Global Positioning System.

    The C/A code
    has a *chip* rate of 1.023 Mbps and a *bit* rate of 50 bps

    The P(Y) code
    has a *chip* rate of 10.23 Mbps and a *bit* rate of 50 bps
     
    Sam Wormley, Jun 8, 2006
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    Tom Roberts Guest

    Nonsense. Relativity is a scientific theory, and in the _scientific_
    community there is no significant debate on its merits within its domain
    of applicability. The _scientific_ community, of course, recognizes that
    that domain is not universal.

    Do not confuse this newsgroup, and the many idiots who post here, with
    any scientific community.

    A count of papers discussing extensions or alternatives to relativity
    within the peer-reviewed physics journals in the past decade or so would
    far exceed the number of papers on relativity (most of which are
    improved experimental tests).

    Rather than making bald speculations and half-assed insinuations, why
    don't you have any _facts_?

    For instance, it is quite clear to me that you personally could probably
    never get an article published in a mainstream physics journal, because
    you clearly do not understand the basics. The whole point of peer review
    is to weed out incompetent and ill-thought papers; the readers of those
    journals do not want to waste their time on obvious nonsense. <shrug>


    Tom Roberts
     
    Tom Roberts, Jun 8, 2006
  8. 1) You're not worth it
    2) I can't be arsed
    3) Doing so would merely continue to feed your paranoid delusions
    4) I can't be arsed
     
    Phineas T Puddleduck, Jun 8, 2006
  9. Sam Wormley

    T Wake Guest

    Potter has resolutely resisted admitting to having his ignorance exposed, so
    I suspect he falls firmly into the "certain kind of nerd" category...
     
    T Wake, Jun 8, 2006
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    Eric Gisse Guest

    So, does that mean you have not considered your theory is crap?

    [...]
     
    Eric Gisse, Jun 8, 2006
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    Bhanwara Guest

    Based upon our previous conversations, you should not have said
    anything like the above. But I expected that, that's why I had
    you pegged as "intellectually dishonest".
     
    Bhanwara, Jun 8, 2006
  12. Sam Wormley

    Bhanwara Guest

    Sure, could be. I am open minded. Can you point out why
    you think so? (Personal attacks prove nothing to me beyond
    the fact that you are not capable of pointing out anything else,
    and therefore must resort to personal attacks instead.)
     
    Bhanwara, Jun 8, 2006
  13. Bhanwara

    By postulating alternatives to what you call "currently" defined
    physics, you have to take into account the repercussions to physical
    laws that your alternatives represent.

    Have you tested your own theories to try and find singularities, for
    example. Can you make your theories break down? Often it is not enough
    to say "this theory explains <X> differently and simpler" - you need to
    consider whether your theory predicts non-physical behaviour. Say,
    giving an imaginary speed for a particle or predicting certain
    quantities to be infinity.

    The good theory's shine through because they don't.
     
    Phineas T Puddleduck, Jun 8, 2006
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    Eric Gisse Guest

    Your theories make no quanitative predictions.

    You talk about the equations of general relativity being
    approximations, while never actually having studied general relativity.

    You talk about general relativity not reducing to special relativity
    locally, which makes it obvious you have not studied general relativity.
     
    Eric Gisse, Jun 8, 2006
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    dda1 Guest

    And we pegged you as incurably, irrevocably, perenially and permanently
    imbecile, Mukesh Prasad.
     
    dda1, Jun 8, 2006
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    Bhanwara Guest

    Here is some interactions we had about the "basics".

    http://www.mukesh.ws/grmisc3.html
     
    Bhanwara, Jun 9, 2006
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    Bhanwara Guest

    I am not sure what you mean by that. Is this quantitaive?

    If a light segment is traversing inside an em field, and the
    em field is moving at a velocity of 345.67 KM/sec wrt A, then
    the 345.67 KM/sec will be added to that light segment's
    velocity wrt A.

    [Perhaps the language could be improved, but I am sure
    the intent is not hard to grasp.]

    I am sure other predictions could be similarly turned quantitative
    without too much trouble.
    I didn't say I never actually studied general relativity.

    My claim that they are approximations, is based upon the "deviation"
    added by GR to the spacetime manifold, and a physical interpretation of
    that "deviation" and what it means and _why_ it works, therefore
    details
    of the equations are not relevant.
    I am not sure what you are talking about. Was it this:

    http://www.mukesh.ws/grmisc3.html

    Or was it this statement: "From the discussions of SR above, we see
    that
    spacetime is not, in fact, locally Minskowskian"? In that case, this
    statement
    did not follow from GR but from the earlier discussions on SR -- but
    since GR
    says spacetime is locally Minskowskian, we have a contradiction between
    my work and GR, therefore there was a need for further discussions of
    GR.

    I hope that clarifies things a bit.

    The important thought-line is historical, however.

    If you are able to see what happens if the zero-medium-transmission
    theory could be plugged into the physics culture of late 1800's, and
    if you are able to see what would then have happened to MMX, SR
    and GR, you would realize why GR itself is only of very marginal
    relevance in this context. Its only relevance is that it provides
    obfuscated support to the underlying philosophical framework that
    resulted from not being able to understand zero-medium-transmission.
     
    Bhanwara, Jun 9, 2006
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    Eric Gisse Guest

    Which proves his point - you do not understand the basics.

    Open a textbook and learn something rather than pontificate endlessly
    about what you don't understand.
     
    Eric Gisse, Jun 9, 2006
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    tdp1001 Guest

    As can be seen "Phineas T Puddleduck"
    does not have the intelligence,
    and knowledge of calculus and physics
    to describe how one can design an energy "transducer",

    so, as immature, dishonest, ignorant people frequently do,
    he attacks the messenger,
    and tries to redirect responses to a newsgroup
    of his peers. (Immature boys with inferiority complexes.)

    Again, I challenge "Phineas T Puddleduck"
    to demonstrate his claimed competence in calculus and physics
    to describe how one could design an energy "transducer".

    If I am right about "Phineas T Puddleduck",
    he will avoid the issue,
    attack the messenger,
    and try to redirect responses to his post.

    Keep tuned and see "Phineas T Puddleduck" define himself.

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    tdp1001, Jun 9, 2006
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    tdp1001 Guest

    As can be seen "Phineas T Puddleduck"
    does not have the intelligence,
    and knowledge of calculus and physics
    to describe how one can design an energy "transducer",

    so, as immature, dishonest, ignorant people frequently do,
    he attacks the messenger,
    and tries to redirect responses to a newsgroup
    of his peers. (Immature boys with inferiority complexes.)

    Again, I challenge "Phineas T Puddleduck"
    to demonstrate his claimed competence in calculus and physics
    to describe how one could design an energy "transducer".

    If I am right about "Phineas T Puddleduck",
    he will avoid the issue,
    attack the messenger,
    and try to redirect responses to his post.

    Keep tuned and see "Phineas T Puddleduck" define himself.

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    tdp1001, Jun 9, 2006
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