GPS World: USNO's Fountain: Time at 100 Trillionths of a Second

[Eric Gisse]

On Jan 26, 6:06 am, "Paul B. Andersen"

[...]

The engineers building the GPS-satellites are obviously smart
enough to build them according to the specification.
So what exactly are you referring to?

Simple - he found a page giving a good overview of how the system
works, but which happens to leave out some of the minutia which
includes relativity. He concludes that GR isn't in the GPS because the
writings of a hobbyist incorrectly attributed [by wubby] to Garmin do
not mention relativity.

When called upon the overall stupidity of the claim, or on little
details like how the page he cited mentions that GPS time has to be
accurate to within 200ns for the system to work, he snips everything
and runs away in a squid spray of insults and stupidity.

When asked to explain why all the published documentation on the
system disagree with him, he comes up equally empty.

 

[hanson]

"Paul B. Andersen" <[email protected]> cranked
himself over Koobee Wublee's assessment of the situation and
Paul being a fervent Einstein Dingleberry, like Sam Wormley is,
Paul wrote a lengthy tripe insisting that GPS is only possible
because of SG & GR... ahahahaha...
[snipped Paul's psalm of proselitizing for Einstein]hanson wrote:
.... if you Dingleberries were to says that GPS operations
can be **described** by using SR & GR you'd be off the hook.
But as long as you Einstein Dingleberries insist, in your gross
worship of Albert's sphincter, that GPS needs Einstein's crap
you are only proving that you are, well, Einstein's Dingleberries.**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....and if you are driven to describe it by mathematical modeling
then any high schooler can see that you need 1 single equation
of Newtonian mechanics for this system to get to your "relativistic
corrections":
== (M_e /h ) * (2 G/c^2) * 86400 = 38 microsec ==
You don't need 39+ equations of Ashby's shit to get there....
See here for more fun with this, in
-- http://tinyurl.com/6frczv - & - http://tinyurl.com/dmudrf --
Thanks for laughs, you precious Einstein Dingleberries...
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... ahahaha...ahahahanon

 

[Sam Wormley]

UNPROVEN (and illogical)

It's easy to prove (or I should say show) that Potter perpetually
fails to understand that gravitation as well as relative velocity
cause time dilation and must be taken into account. The evidence
is in Potter's posting record.

 

[Koobee Wublee]

Koobee Wublee wrote:

I note with interest that Koobee Wublee doesn't know the difference
between a specification and an application note.

Hmmm... That is a strong statement. Anyway, happy new year. Maybe
this new lunar new year will bring better wisdom to you instead of you

The manufacturers of the GPS-satellites better take
the specification "as the Bible"!

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/gps/geninfo/IS-GPS-200D.pdf

Yes, we have been through that already.

I quote section 3.3.1.1 from this SPECIFICATION:
<<
3.3.1.1 Frequency Plan.
The L-band signals shall be contained within two 20.46-MHz bands
centred about L1 and L2. The carrier frequencies for the L1 and L2
signals shall be coherently derived from a common frequency source
within the SV. The nominal frequency of this source -- as it appears
to an observer on the ground -- is 10.23 MHz. The SV carrier frequency
and clock rates -- as they would appear to an observer located in
the SV -- are offset to compensate for relativistic effects. The clock
rates are offset by delta_f/f = -4.4647E-10, equivalent to a change in
the P-code shipping rate of 10.23 MHz offset by a delta_f = -4.5674E-3 Hz.
This is equal to 10.22999999543 MHz. The nominal carrier frequencies (fo)
shall be 1575.42 MHz, and 1227.6 MHz for L1 and L2, respectively.

There is nothing to discuss. It is an indisputable fact that
the -4.4647E-10 correction predicted by GR is built into
each and every GPS-satellite, which proves that the GPS works
with the corrections introduced by GR.

What if you do not correct for that 450 parts in a trillion? Are you
still able to obtain the data information from that 10.23MHz chipping
rate (or IF)? Hint: This is a broadband application!

This is incredible stupid!
There are 24 satellites in 6 planes. They are moving fast relative
to each other.

You are wrong! The satellites do not move fast relative to each
other. In fact each satellite on one plane is stationary to the
others on the same plane. You are totally delusional. Perhaps,

And you claim that it is simpler to synchronize
the satellites between themselves than to do it form the ground!

Yes, indeed. Is that too late to get a patent for that?

It would be virtually impossible!
And it isn't done.
Each SV clock is synchronized to the ground clocks from the ground.

That is not very effective. The atmosphere introduces too much

It isn't very smart to lie like this when what I actually said can
be found on Google:

What lie?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/864da1c5af0...
http://tinyurl.com/bdzm4k
<<
It is completely beside the point to repeat over and over
that the small offset in the frequencies sent from
the satellite have no consequences whatsover,
because nobody ever said they had.

That comment above is absolutely stupid when dealing with a center
frequency shift of 450 in one trillion in a broadband application.

Listen autistic idiot:
The reason, and only reason, why the frequency standard is corrected
for relativistic effects is to make the SV clock run synchronously with
the ground clocks.

Again, this is not necessary when the satellites are synchronized

That the carrier and shipping frequencies also are adjusted is
just a side effect because all frequencies are derived from
the same frequency standard.

Yeah, 450 parts in a trillion in a broadband application. Were you
fired at your previous job for being so obnoxiously ignorance?

Read this:

| -----------------------------------------------------------------------
| The important point is that if the SV clock rates were not corrected,
| they would drift out of sync from GPS time after few minutes.
| The clocks have to be in sync within 100 ns for the GPS to work.
| -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bullsh*t!

All this stupid fuss about the frequencies emitted from
the satellite is copletely beside the point!

The carrier frequencies, like all other frequencies,
are at the receiver Doppler shifted between +/- 3E-7.
The satellites are moving!

Wait! Aren’t we talking about 450 parts in a trillion?

This is equivalent to a frequency shift of the carriers
in the order of kHz. Since the banwidth of the channels
is ca. 20 MHz, this is of no consequence for the receiver.

The Doppler shift may be almost a thousand times more than
the minute GR-correction, so of bloody course the -4.4647E-10
offset is of no concequence whatsoever for the receiver!
AND NOBODY EVER SAID OTHERWISE!

You are mistaken again. The carrier frequencies are not utilized to
generate any clocks. The carrier frequencies are discarded after

A strange statement.
The engineers building the GPS-satellites are obviously smart
enough to build them according to the specification.

Now, show me where the actual specifications are instead of these
lousy out-of-date application notes.

So what exactly are you referring to?

Paul is still chasing chickens. Keep chasing, Paul.

 

[Helmut Wabnig]

"Paul B. Andersen" <[email protected]> cranked
himself over Koobee Wublee's assessment of the situation and
Paul being a fervent Einstein Dingleberry, like Sam Wormley is,
Paul wrote a lengthy tripe insisting that GPS is only possible
because of SG & GR... ahahahaha...
[snipped Paul's psalm of proselitizing for Einstein]hanson wrote:
... if you Dingleberries were to says that GPS operations
can be **described** by using SR & GR you'd be off the hook.
But as long as you Einstein Dingleberries insist, in your gross
worship of Albert's sphincter, that GPS needs Einstein's crap
you are only proving that you are, well, Einstein's Dingleberries.**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....and if you are driven to describe it by mathematical modeling
then any high schooler can see that you need 1 single equation
of Newtonian mechanics for this system to get to your "relativistic
corrections":
== (M_e /h ) * (2 G/c^2) * 86400 = 38 microsec ==
You don't need 39+ equations of Ashby's shit to get there....
See here for more fun with this, in
-- http://tinyurl.com/6frczv - & - http://tinyurl.com/dmudrf --
Thanks for laughs, you precious Einstein Dingleberries...
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... ahahaha...ahahahanon

Diatribes without a slightest colour hue of proof of truth -
or whatever.

hanson,

**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....

prove it.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

BTW, hanson, did you know that your microwave oven
is relativistically corrected?
Learn about magnetrons, if you like.

hanson eats Einstein with every chump of microwave pizza.
Don't throw up now, hanson.

w.

 

[Strich.9]

   It's easy to prove (or I should say show) that Potter perpetually
   fails to understand that gravitation as well as relative velocity
   cause time dilation and must be taken into account. The evidence
   is in Potter's posting record.

Another monkey who needs a speller: time dilation is UNPROVEN and
illogical.

 

[Strich.9]

"Paul B. Andersen" <[email protected]> cranked
himself over Koobee Wublee's assessment of the situation and
Paul being a fervent Einstein Dingleberry, like Sam Wormley is,
Paul wrote a lengthy tripe insisting that GPS is only possible
because of SG & GR... ahahahaha...
[snipped Paul's psalm of proselitizing for Einstein]

hanson wrote:
... if you Dingleberries were to says that GPS operations
can be **described** by using SR & GR you'd be off the hook.
But as long as you Einstein Dingleberries insist, in your gross
worship of Albert's sphincter, that GPS needs Einstein's crap
you are only proving that you are, well, Einstein's Dingleberries.

   **** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....

and if you are driven to describe it by mathematical modeling
then any high schooler can see that you need 1 single equation
of Newtonian mechanics for this system to get to your "relativistic
corrections":
==  (M_e /h ) * (2 G/c^2) * 86400 =  38 microsec  ==
You don't need 39+ equations of Ashby's shit to get there....
See here for more fun with this, in
--  http://tinyurl.com/6frczv  - & -  http://tinyurl.com/dmudrf --
Thanks for laughs, you precious Einstein Dingleberries...
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... ahahaha...ahahahanon

Diatribes without a slightest colour hue of proof of truth -
or whatever.

hanson,

   **** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....

prove it.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

BTW, hanson, did you know that your microwave oven
is relativistically corrected?
Learn about magnetrons, if you like.

hanson eats Einstein with every chump of microwave pizza.
Don't throw up now, hanson.

w.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Einstein would have to rent space from Christ. You forgot who owns
the bread

 

[Androcles]

"Paul B. Andersen" <[email protected]> cranked
himself over Koobee Wublee's assessment of the situation and
Paul being a fervent Einstein Dingleberry, like Sam Wormley is,
Paul wrote a lengthy tripe insisting that GPS is only possible
because of SG & GR... ahahahaha...
[snipped Paul's psalm of proselitizing for Einstein]hanson wrote:
... if you Dingleberries were to says that GPS operations
can be **described** by using SR & GR you'd be off the hook.
But as long as you Einstein Dingleberries insist, in your gross
worship of Albert's sphincter, that GPS needs Einstein's crap
you are only proving that you are, well, Einstein's Dingleberries.**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....and if you are driven to describe it by mathematical modeling
then any high schooler can see that you need 1 single equation
of Newtonian mechanics for this system to get to your "relativistic
corrections":
== (M_e /h ) * (2 G/c^2) * 86400 = 38 microsec ==
You don't need 39+ equations of Ashby's shit to get there....
See here for more fun with this, in
-- http://tinyurl.com/6frczv - & - http://tinyurl.com/dmudrf --
Thanks for laughs, you precious Einstein Dingleberries...
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... ahahaha...ahahahanon

Diatribes without a slightest colour hue of proof of truth -
or whatever.

hanson,

**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....

prove it.

Easy. If GPS can be shown to work without SR or GR, even if it
was formerly used, then the conjecture has been proven - it was never
needed.
Here is the proof:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS/GPS.htm

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

BTW, hanson, did you know that your microwave oven
is relativistically corrected?
Learn about magnetrons, if you like.

BTW, wabbie, did you know you are an ignorant fuckhead?
Learn about gullibility, if you like.

hanson eats Einstein with every chump of microwave pizza.
Don't throw up now, hanson.

w.

wabbie is the chump.

 

[hanson]

--------- ahahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHHA.... ahahahaha --------"Helmut Wabnig" <hwabnig@ .- --- -. dotat> you said in your
last post that you, Wabie, said stupid things. See here what
it was -- http://tinyurl.com/amdmvm -- and now you just did
it again in your fanaticism, with this time not as a Jew hater
that you are, but now as a fanatically worshipping Einstein
Dingleberry which effectively prevents you from ever grasping
nor comprehending & much less to understand that
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....
"Paul B. Andersen" <[email protected]> cranked
himself over Koobee Wublee's assessment of the situation and
Paul being a fervent Einstein Dingleberry, like Sam Wormley is,
Paul wrote a lengthy tripe insisting that GPS is only possible
because of SG & GR... ahahahaha...
[snipped Paul's psalm of proselitizing for Einstein]hanson wrote:
.... if you Dingleberries were to says that GPS operations
can be **described** by using SR & GR you'd be off the hook.
But as long as you Einstein Dingleberries insist, in your gross
worship of Albert's sphincter, that GPS needs Einstein's crap
you are only proving that you are, well, Einstein's Dingleberries.**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....and if you are driven to describe it by mathematical modeling
then any high schooler can see that you need 1 single equation
of Newtonian mechanics for this system to get to your "relativistic
corrections":
== (M_e /h ) * (2 G/c^2) * 86400 = 38 microsec ==
You don't need 39+ equations of Ashby's shit to get there....
See here for more fun with this, in
-- http://tinyurl.com/6frczv - & - http://tinyurl.com/dmudrf --
Thanks for laughs, you precious Einstein Dingleberries...
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... ahahaha...ahahahanonWabie wrote:
Diatribes without a slightest colour hue of proof of truth -
or whatever. hanson,
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....
prove it.
BTW, hanson, did you know that your microwave oven
is relativistically corrected? Learn about magnetrons, if you like.
hanson eats Einstein with every chump of microwave pizza.
Don't throw up now, hanson.
hanson wrote:
.... ahahahaha... I have no need to throw up, but YOU just did.
.... and to boot, you think your own KOTZEREI is funny [ ].
Wabie, don't be so loud in your advertising that you are an
Einstein Dingleberry, or you make me agree with Androcles
that you are indeed a cretin... ahahaha...
Don't strain yourself so hard to show the world that you are a
Trottel, Totsch, Tölpel or whatever people like you are labeled
in your Austria... ahahahaha... ahahahaha... hahahahahansonBTW, Wabie, you QUATSCHKOPF, thanks for keeping this
thread open... ahahahaha...

 

[Sam Wormley]

Another monkey who needs a speller: time dilation is UNPROVEN and
illogical.

Interesting how Strich can dilude itself in so many areas of
physics... it's almost as if it knows some basic tenants of
physics and choose to troll for attention like some two-year-old.

 

[Paul B. Andersen]

Hmmm... That is a strong statement. Anyway, happy new year. Maybe
this new lunar new year will bring better wisdom to you instead of you


Yes, we have been through that already.

Since "we have been through that already", you know that
the above is an irrefutable fact.

So we won't talk about that, will we?

What if you do not correct for that 450 parts in a trillion? Are you
still able to obtain the data information from that 10.23MHz chipping
rate (or IF)? Hint: This is a broadband application!

http://tinyurl.com/bdzm4k
<<
It is completely beside the point to repeat over and over
that the small offset in the frequencies sent from
the satellite have no consequences whatsover,
because nobody ever said they had.

Listen autistic idiot:
The reason, and only reason, why the frequency standard is corrected
for relativistic effects is to make the SV clock run synchronously with
the ground clocks.

You are wrong! The satellites do not move fast relative to each
other. In fact each satellite on one plane is stationary to the
others on the same plane. You are totally delusional. Perhaps,
chasing too many chickens. <shrug>

There are four satellites in each plane.
What about the other 20 satellites?
Are they moving relative to these four?

Yes, indeed. Is that too late to get a patent for that?

Go ahead and try.
Since you don't even understand the complexity of the task,
you have obviously no clue of how it could be done.

That is not very effective. The atmosphere introduces too much
error. <shrug>

But that's how if factually is done.
Your opinion is irrelevant.

What lie?

Below is what I _did_ say, compare that to what you claimed I said.

That comment above is absolutely stupid when dealing with a center
frequency shift of 450 in one trillion in a broadband application.
<shrug>

Another demonstration of your reading comprehension problem which
made me exclaim:

Again, this is not necessary when the satellites are synchronized
among themselves. <shrug>

But they are not, so it is.
Read this:
| -----------------------------------------------------------------------
| The important point is that if the SV clock rates were not corrected,
| they would drift out of sync from GPS time after few minutes.
| The clocks have to be in sync within 100 ns for the GPS to work.
| -----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah, 450 parts in a trillion in a broadband application. Were you
fired at your previous job for being so obnoxiously ignorance?

http://tinyurl.com/bdzm4k
<<
It is completely beside the point to repeat over and over
that the small offset in the frequencies sent from
the satellite have no consequences whatsover,
because nobody ever said they had.

Listen autistic idiot:
The reason, and only reason, why the frequency standard is corrected
for relativistic effects is to make the SV clock run synchronously with
the ground clocks.

Bullsh*t!

The above is an irrefutable fact.
Your opinion is irrelevant.

Wait! Aren’t we talking about 450 parts in a trillion?

Another demonstration of your reading comprehension problem.

You are mistaken again.

So I am wrong when saying that the -4.4647E-10 offset
is of no concequence whatsoever for the receiver
because:

The carrier frequencies are not utilized to
generate any clocks. The carrier frequencies are discarded after
mixing. <shrug>

This doesn't make much sense, does it?

Now, show me where the actual specifications are instead of these
lousy out-of-date application notes.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/gps/geninfo/IS-GPS-200D.pdf
Title: "INTERFACE SPECIFICATION"
Revision history:
A - 25. Sept 1984
B - 30. Nov 1978
C - 10. Oct 1993
D - 7. Dec 2004
It is 11 years between revision C and D.
So why do you think the last revision is outdated after
only 4 years?

But you don't, of course.
You must be pretty desperate to call a valid SPECIFICATION
"a lousy out-of-date application note", when you know better.

You seem to think that you can change the facts by persistently
denying them.

 

[Sue...]

Since "we have been through that already", you know that
the above is an irrefutable fact.

So we won't talk about that, will we?


http://tinyurl.com/bdzm4k
<<
  It is completely beside the point to repeat over and over
  that the small offset in the frequencies sent from
  the satellite have no consequences whatsover,
  because nobody ever said they had.

  Listen autistic idiot:
   The reason, and only reason, why the frequency standard is corrected
   for relativistic effects is to make the SV clock run synchronouslywith
   the ground clocks.
 >>







There are four satellites in each plane.
What about the other 20 satellites?
Are they moving relative to these four?





Go ahead and try.
Since you don't even understand the complexity of the task,
you have obviously no clue of how it could be done.





But that's how if factually is done.
Your opinion is irrelevant.





Below is what I _did_ say, compare that to what you claimed I said.



Another demonstration of your reading comprehension problem which
made me exclaim:



But they are not, so it is.
Read this:
| -----------------------------------------------------------------------
|   The important point is that if the SV clock rates were not corrected,
|   they would drift out of sync from GPS time after few minutes.
|   The clocks have to be in sync within 100 ns for the GPS to work.
| -----------------------------------------------------------------------



http://tinyurl.com/bdzm4k
<<
  It is completely beside the point to repeat over and over
  that the small offset in the frequencies sent from
  the satellite have no consequences whatsover,
  because nobody ever said they had.

  Listen autistic idiot:
   The reason, and only reason, why the frequency standard is corrected
   for relativistic effects is to make the SV clock run synchronouslywith
   the ground clocks.
 >>



The above is an irrefutable fact.
Your opinion is irrelevant.





Another demonstration of your reading comprehension problem.



So I am wrong when saying that the -4.4647E-10 offset
is of no concequence whatsoever for the receiver
because:


This  doesn't make much sense, does it?

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/gps/geninfo/IS-GPS-200D.pdf

On which page is the Sagnac correction addressed ?

Sue...

 

[Sue...]

There is nothing to discuss. It is an indisputable fact that
the -4.4647E-10 correction predicted by GR is built into
each and every GPS-satellite, which proves that the GPS works
with the corrections introduced by GR.

<<Simple-minded use of Einstein synchronization in the rotating frame
gives only (eqn), and thus leads to a significant error.>> --Neal
Ashby
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/articlese2.html#x5-20002

Does that mean that Einstein was simple minded or
that his synchronisation leads to error ?

Maybe the marketeers for GR should stick to
measuring tower heights. )

http://www.phys.canterbury.ac.nz/research/laser/gopen.shtml

 

[Sam Wormley]

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/gps/geninfo/IS-GPS-200D.pdf

On which page is the Sagnac correction addressed ?

Sue...

"Relativity in Rotating Frames"
By Guido Rizzi, Matteo Luca Ruggiero

http://books.google.com/books?id=_P...&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result

 

[Strich.9]

   Interesting how Strich can dilude itself in so many areas of
   physics... it's almost as if it knows some basic tenants of
   physics and choose to troll for attention like some two-year-old.

After I stumped you twice before, it's amazing you still show your
face like some ignored teenager who craves attention...

 

[who]

It is very sad that education cannot make mental illness pretty.

 

[Androcles]

It is very sad that education cannot make mental illness pretty.

It is irrelevant that you are emotional and hence mentally unstable.
Carry on weeping, it won't change anything.

 

[Koobee Wublee]

Since "we have been through that already", you know that
the above is an irrefutable fact.

So we won't talk about that, will we?

Hmmm... It is your wish that the lousy application note for the GPS
is the actual specification. I can understand that you decide to
place your tail between your legs and not to talk about it anymore.

<<
It is completely beside the point to repeat over and over
that the small offset in the frequencies sent from
the satellite have no consequences whatsover,
because nobody ever said they had.

Listen autistic idiot:
The reason, and only reason, why the frequency standard is corrected
for relativistic effects is to make the SV clock run synchronously with
the ground clocks.

Listen again. Since a GPS receiver can obtain the almanac data from
at least four satellites, the receiver can generate a set of four
equations with four unknowns. The unknowns can be solved to identify
the space and time information. It now makes no difference if the
satellites are synchronized with the ground stations as long as the
satellites are all synchronized which is much an easier task to

There are four satellites in each plane.
What about the other 20 satellites?
Are they moving relative to these four?

And you claim that it is simpler to synchronize
the satellites between themselves than to do it form the ground!


Go ahead and try.
Since you don't even understand the complexity of the task,
you have obviously no clue of how it could be done.

The task is not that complicated. It is only so because you embrace

But that's how if factually is done.
Your opinion is irrelevant.

Hmmm... Satellite-to-satellite does not introduce any atmospheric
errors while satellite-to-ground does. Your faith in GR and Einstein
the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar being your personal messiah

<<
It is completely beside the point to repeat over and over
that the small offset in the frequencies sent from
the satellite have no consequences whatsover,
because nobody ever said they had.

So, you are saying there is no necessity to correct for GR’s
predictions. What is then your problem?

Another demonstration of your reading comprehension problem which
made me exclaim:

But they are not, so it is.
Read this:
| -----------------------------------------------------------------------
| The important point is that if the SV clock rates were not corrected,
| they would drift out of sync from GPS time after few minutes.
| The clocks have to be in sync within 100 ns for the GPS to work.
| -----------------------------------------------------------------------

Still bullsh*t!

[Repeated nonsense snipped]

Wait! Aren’t we talking about 450 parts in a trillion?

Another demonstration of your reading comprehension problem.

Is it not the predicted GR correction only accounts for 450 parts in a
trillion?

The Doppler shift may be almost a thousand times more than
the minute GR-correction, so of bloody course the -4.4647E-10
offset is of no concequence whatsoever for the receiver!
AND NOBODY EVER SAID OTHERWISE!


So I am wrong when saying that the -4.4647E-10 offset
is of no concequence whatsoever for the receiver
because:


This doesn't make much sense, does it?

I meant chipping rate instead of carrier frequency to be more
precise. <shrug>

So, show me the spec that requires the chipping rate to establish a
system clock of some sort.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/gps/geninfo/IS-GPS-200D.pdf
Title: "INTERFACE SPECIFICATION"
Revision history:
A - 25. Sept 1984
B - 30. Nov 1978
C - 10. Oct 1993
D - 7. Dec 2004
It is 11 years between revision C and D.
So why do you think the last revision is outdated after
only 4 years?

So, after you have agreed that the chipping rate really does not have
to be correct on 450 parts in a trillion, what is the fuss all about?

Show me the specification that the chipping rate is fed into another
system to establish a reference clock.

[Desperate gibberish snipped]

Keep chasing after these chickens, Paul. You make yourself look so
stupid.

 

[Eric Gisse]

Since "we have been through that already", you know that
the above is an irrefutable fact.

So we won't talk about that, will we?

Hmmm...  It is your wish that the lousy application note [...]

No, homeslice. It don't work that way.

You don't get to cite a hobbyist writeup by someone with no expertise
in the system and then turn around and claim the DESIGN SPECIFICATIONS
- not an "application note" - are somehow irrelevant. It is
transparent that you have no support for your claims.

That you are unable to explain why every published reference on the
global positioning system over the last 40 years disagrees with you is
sufficient cause to ignore your dumb ass. Or in my case, mock you
mercilessly for years on end.

[snip rest, unread]

 

[Sam Wormley]

Listen again. Since a GPS receiver can obtain the almanac data from
at least four satellites, the receiver can generate a set of four
equations with four unknowns. The unknowns can be solved to identify
the space and time information. It now makes no difference if the
satellites are synchronized with the ground stations as long as the
satellites are all synchronized which is much an easier task to
achieve. <shrug>

Hey Koobee, I take it you've never owned a GPS receiver. Four locked
and tracked satellites does not guarantee a PVT solution. Also, I've
pointed out to you if the time up there is different from the time
down here, the GPS does work worth shit.

Get a life.. get an education... read before spewing... Oh and you
appear kinda stoooped, like an uneducated hillbilly, going around
shrugging all the time.