GPS World: USNO's Fountain: Time at 100 Trillionths of a Second

Discussion in 'General GPS Discussion' started by Sam Wormley, Jan 23, 2009.

  1. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest

    Sam Wormley, Jan 30, 2009
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  2. Sam Wormley

    Y.Porat Guest

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    shameless lier and parrot moron !!!
    and a thief of others credits

    GR contributed nothing to it

    Y.Porat
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    Y.Porat, Jan 30, 2009
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  3. Sam Wormley

    who Guest


    Ja vol, baby! You sure are good at giving orders. And you are very
    reasonable and rational....and civilized also. And people really like
    you.
     
    who, Jan 31, 2009
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  4. Sam Wormley

    Androcles Guest


    Ja vol, baby! You sure are good at giving orders. And you are very
    reasonable and rational....and civilized also. And people really like
    you.


    The word is "jawohl", shithead, and I have no interest in your pathetic
    emotional outbursts, you dumb ****.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jawohl
     
    Androcles, Jan 31, 2009
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  5. Sam Wormley

    Eric Gisse Guest

    John, is this how you are going to spend the rest of your days? Is
    this how you wish to be remembered?
     
    Eric Gisse, Jan 31, 2009
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  6. Sam Wormley

    hanson Guest

    ---------- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... -----------who@2die4 wrote:
    It is very sad that education cannot make mental illness pretty.Androcles wrote:
    It is irrelevant that you are emotional and hence mentally unstable.
    Carry on weeping, it won't change anything.who@2die4 wrote:
    QED (and sorry to have offended you by diverting you from your child
    storybook fantasy).Androcles, inventor of "=========================" wrote:
    You are not sorry, you lying shit. That professed sadness is crocodile
    tears. **** off and whine somewhere else that isn't a sci newsgroup."who@2die4" wrote:
    Ja vol, baby! You sure are good at giving orders. And you are very
    reasonable and rational....and civilized also. And people really like
    you.Androcles wrote:
    The word is "jawohl", shithead, and I have no interest in your pathetic
    emotional outbursts, you dumb ****. hanson wrote:
    ahahahaha... Take it easy on the poor dude, Andro. Can't
    you see: "Ja vol"... "Oye weh"... "Go Figure"... He is Jewish,
    and like most Jews, "to die" is always on their mind, asking, like
    he does, their existential question: "who@2die4" ... ahahaha...
    Thanks for the laughs, guys!.. Carry on!... ahahahahansonPS:
    .... but... Andro is right in that:
    **** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
    Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....
     
    hanson, Jan 31, 2009
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  7. Sam Wormley

    Eric Gisse Guest

    The designers, specifications, independent experiments, and test
    systems indicate otherwise.
     
    Eric Gisse, Jan 31, 2009
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  8. Sam Wormley

    hanson Guest

    [...]
    PS:
    .... but... Androcles is right in that:
    **** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
    Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....Eric wrote:
    The designers, specifications, independent experiments,
    and test systems indicate otherwise.hanson wrote:
    Eric, when you finally graduate & you'll get, long last, your BSc,
    and you'll move to get a paying job... then 2 things will happen:
    Your new environment will cure your Einstein Dingleberryism
    and you will come to see that
    **** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
    Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....Good luck for you upcoming graduation. Spring, Summer 09?
    hanson
     
    hanson, Jan 31, 2009
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  9. Sam Wormley

    Eric Gisse Guest

    Why do the designers, specifications, independent experiments, and
    test systems indicate otherwise?
     
    Eric Gisse, Jan 31, 2009
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  10. Sam Wormley

    Sue... Guest

    It is probably for the same reason your local
    police drives Fords instead of Chevrolets.

    A cop in a Ford isn't proof that Chevys are
    unserviceable but don't expect anyone at Ford to
    go out of their way to drive that point home.

    Sue...
     
    Sue..., Jan 31, 2009
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  11. Sam Wormley

    Eric Gisse Guest

    http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA058591

    "This report discusses the launch and preliminary results, which
    include verification of the relativistic clock effect."

    I do not understand the function of the denials.
     
    Eric Gisse, Jan 31, 2009
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  12. Sam Wormley

    Sue... Guest


    Results 11 - 19 of 19 for "relativistic clock effect"

    How old did you say this theory is?


    Sue...
     
    Sue..., Jan 31, 2009
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    Tom Potter Guest

    Hopefully Eric Gisse will start with the basic General Relativity equation
    and demonstrate an audit trail showing where the equation is
    in the GPS "specifications", and show where the designers
    and computer programmers actually used General Relativity.

    No doubt the term "relativity" has been used generically
    to indicate the Doppler Effect and the Galileo Effect
    but as can be seen, none of the General Relativity Cultists
    or Gurus have ever demonstrated an actual instance where
    General Relativity was used.

    A couple of the Gurus on the taxpayer dole
    make the claim that General Relativity was and is
    essential to the GPS System, but any system engineer
    knows that if you know what the constants are
    and what the factors are, it is a simple matter
    to compensate for them, and what you call these
    adjustments is more politics and hype than reality,

    and any system engineer knows that if there are
    uncontrollable variables in the system (Like weather)
    it is necessary to monitor and compensate for them
    if you want to obtain greater accuracy.

    I will be looking forward to seeing Gisse
    start with the basic General Relativity equation
    and show the audit trail to the hardware and software.

    No doubt the frequency of oscillators is affected by
    acceleration (Altitude),
    but Galileo and Newton knew this centuries ago,

    and no doubt if an observer has a velocity with respect to
    a frequency source, it will affect what he observes,
    but Doppler knew this decades ago.

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    Tom Potter, Jan 31, 2009
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    Sue... Guest

    Results 11 - 19 of 19 for "relativistic clock effect"
    Results 1 - 10 of about 110,000 for "meissner effect". (0.07 seconds)

    <<discovered the phenomenon in 1933 >>
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect

    How old did you say this theory is?

    <<Because the media bombard us with nonsense,
    it is useful to consider the earmarks of
    pseudoscience. The presence of even

    --> one <--

    of these should arouse great suspicion.
    On the other hand, material displaying
    none of these flaws might still be pseudoscience, because its
    adherents invent new ways to fool themselves every day. >>
    http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pseudo.html

    Sue...
     
    Sue..., Jan 31, 2009
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  15. Sam Wormley

    Eric Gisse Guest

    Now that the ink has been squirted, the squid can escape.

    [snip rest]
     
    Eric Gisse, Jan 31, 2009
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    Tom Potter Guest

    I am pleased to see that Eric Gisse,
    who claim to be a high school grad
    is interested in "intelligent commentary".

    Considering that Gisse claims that General Relativity
    was and is essential to the GPS System,
    hopefully he will start with the basic General Relativity equation,
    and provide references to ACTUAL hardware and computer programs
    that use the equation, and show why this cannot be done
    with simple offsets and factors.

    I must point out that using the same unproven
    reference paper by some guy on the taxpayer dole,
    is not proof of anything, except feathering his nest,

    and clinging to the generic use of "relativity effects"
    in various publications
    to indicate the Doppler Effect and the Galileo Effect
    is also proof of nothing, except the term "relativity"
    has been vastly over hyped by the mass media.

    General Relativity Cultists cling to the generic phrase "relativity effects"
    like Christians cling to "For God so loved the world...",
    and Muslims cling to "God is great.",
    and Jews cling to "Trust me."

    When a General Relativity Cultists
    sees or hears the phrase "relativity effect"
    they accept it as fact, and no proof is required.

    --
    Tom Potter
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    Tom Potter, Jan 31, 2009
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  17. Sam Wormley

    Sue... Guest

    Cat got your tongue ?

    How old did you say this theory is?

    Results 11 - 19 of 19 for "relativistic clock effect"
    Results 1 - 10 of about 110,000 for "meissner effect".

    <<discovered the phenomenon in 1933 >>
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect



    <<Because the media bombard us with nonsense,
    it is useful to consider the earmarks of
    pseudoscience. The presence of even

    --> one <--

    of these should arouse great suspicion.
    On the other hand, material displaying
    none of these flaws might still be pseudoscience,
    because its adherents invent new ways to fool
    themselves every day. >>
    http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pseudo.html

    How old did you say this theory is?
    How old did you say this theory is?

    Sue...
     
    Sue..., Jan 31, 2009
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  18. Sam Wormley

    Tom Potter Guest

    It is interesting to see that Sam Wormley
    is ignorant of what his "betters",
    those Alabama "hillbillies",
    are doing with the GPS system.

    As can be seen from the web site below,
    these "hillbillies" are using GPS to
    map flood planes, traffic lights, power lines, gas lines,
    fire stations, fire hydrants, hospitals, traffic cams, railroads, etc.

    and are even mapping the layout of schools
    and public buildings so they can respond to fires,
    tornados, terrorism, and other emergencies.

    Hopefully Sammy will provide references
    to what his state and his school is doing along these lines.

    Perhaps they are so consumed with General Relativity babble,
    that they do not have the time and money
    to do useful things for mankind.

    I might also point out that the "Hillbilly" gal that heads the project
    is better looking than Miss America.

    http://apb.directionsmag.com/archiv...-Video-on-Virtual-Alabama-Implementation.html

    I was surprised to see that Sammy does not know
    how an Earth bound GPS receiver can determine
    the system time, and its' location from data
    transmitted by four satellites.

    I would explain this in detail, step by step,
    but why waste my time when a General Relativity Cultist
    puts more faith in the phrase "relativity effect"
    than they do in a logical sequence of steps.

    When a General Relativity Cultist
    sees or hears the term "relativity effect"
    they accept it as fact.

    --
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    Satellite #1 transmits system time and its' location in orbit.
    As it takes between

    t this point, the GPS receiver knows the time within



    --
    Tom Potter
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    http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com
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    http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dingleberry.htm
     
    Tom Potter, Jan 31, 2009
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  19. Sam Wormley

    Eric Gisse Guest

    It /is/ done with an offset in the frequency of the transmitted
    signal, you stupid ****.

    [snip]
     
    Eric Gisse, Jan 31, 2009
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  20. Sam Wormley

    Sue... Guest

    Don't take it professionally, It is strictly personal.

    I am not willing to argue that Einstein's GR didn't
    contribute something to GPS. It was likely the best
    but certainly not the only tool.

    Tom Potter's earlier post well describes numerous other
    crank interpretations that have tried to ride GPS's
    coat-tails and Rory Coker's page offers sound advice
    how that sort of conflation has to be viewed by a
    scientist. There is no *comprehensive* relativity that
    embraces every ambiguous or absurd interpretation
    of the past 100 years so don't take on its defence with
    knee-jerk advocacy.

    You don't have to clear the mine-field. Just get
    across it in one piece.

    Kind regards,

    Sue...
     
    Sue..., Jan 31, 2009
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