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GPS World: USNO's Fountain: Time at 100 Trillionths of a Second
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Y.Porat
Potter, GTR has directly contributed to a $30B+ GPS industry,
benefiting people all over the world. Aviation, shipping, asset
management, survey, mining, agriculture, time dissemination,
communications networks... and on and on!
Bluster on, Potter, bluster some more! Froth at the mouth! Whatever!
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shameless lier and parrot moron !!!
and a thief of others credits
GR contributed nothing to it
Y.Porat
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W
who
QED (and sorry to have offended you by diverting you from your child
storybook fantasy).
===========================================
You are not sorry, you lying shit. That professed sadness is crocodile
tears.
**** off and whine somewhere else that isn't a sci newsgroup.
Ja vol, baby! You sure are good at giving orders. And you are very
reasonable and rational....and civilized also. And people really like
you.
A
Androcles
QED (and sorry to have offended you by diverting you from your child
storybook fantasy).
===========================================
You are not sorry, you lying shit. That professed sadness is crocodile
tears.
**** off and whine somewhere else that isn't a sci newsgroup.
Ja vol, baby! You sure are good at giving orders. And you are very
reasonable and rational....and civilized also. And people really like
you.
The word is "jawohl", shithead, and I have no interest in your pathetic
emotional outbursts, you dumb ****.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jawohl
E
Eric Gisse
Ja vol, baby! You sure are good at giving orders. And you are very
reasonable and rational....and civilized also. And people really like
you.
The word is "jawohl", shithead, and I have no interest in your pathetic
emotional outbursts, you dumb ****.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jawohl
John, is this how you are going to spend the rest of your days? Is
this how you wish to be remembered?
H
hanson
---------- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... -----------who@2die4 wrote:
It is very sad that education cannot make mental illness pretty.Androcles wrote:
It is irrelevant that you are emotional and hence mentally unstable.
Carry on weeping, it won't change anything.who@2die4 wrote:
QED (and sorry to have offended you by diverting you from your child
storybook fantasy).Androcles, inventor of "=========================" wrote:
You are not sorry, you lying shit. That professed sadness is crocodile
tears. **** off and whine somewhere else that isn't a sci newsgroup."who@2die4" wrote:
Ja vol, baby! You sure are good at giving orders. And you are very
reasonable and rational....and civilized also. And people really like
you.Androcles wrote:
The word is "jawohl", shithead, and I have no interest in your pathetic
emotional outbursts, you dumb ****.
ahahahaha... Take it easy on the poor dude, Andro. Can't
you see: "Ja vol"... "Oye weh"... "Go Figure"... He is Jewish,
and like most Jews, "to die" is always on their mind, asking, like
he does, their existential question: "who@2die4" ... ahahaha...
Thanks for the laughs, guys!.. Carry on!... ahahahahansonPS:
.... but... Andro is right in that:
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....
It is very sad that education cannot make mental illness pretty.Androcles wrote:
It is irrelevant that you are emotional and hence mentally unstable.
Carry on weeping, it won't change anything.who@2die4 wrote:
QED (and sorry to have offended you by diverting you from your child
storybook fantasy).Androcles, inventor of "=========================" wrote:
You are not sorry, you lying shit. That professed sadness is crocodile
tears. **** off and whine somewhere else that isn't a sci newsgroup."who@2die4" wrote:
Ja vol, baby! You sure are good at giving orders. And you are very
reasonable and rational....and civilized also. And people really like
you.Androcles wrote:
The word is "jawohl", shithead, and I have no interest in your pathetic
emotional outbursts, you dumb ****.
hanson wrote:
ahahahaha... Take it easy on the poor dude, Andro. Can't
you see: "Ja vol"... "Oye weh"... "Go Figure"... He is Jewish,
and like most Jews, "to die" is always on their mind, asking, like
he does, their existential question: "who@2die4" ... ahahaha...
Thanks for the laughs, guys!.. Carry on!... ahahahahansonPS:
.... but... Andro is right in that:
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....
E
Eric Gisse
PS:
... but... Andro is right in that:
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....
The designers, specifications, independent experiments, and test
systems indicate otherwise.
H
hanson
[...]
PS:
.... but... Androcles is right in that:
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....Eric wrote:
The designers, specifications, independent experiments,
and test systems indicate otherwise.hanson wrote:
Eric, when you finally graduate & you'll get, long last, your BSc,
and you'll move to get a paying job... then 2 things will happen:
Your new environment will cure your Einstein Dingleberryism
and you will come to see that
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....Good luck for you upcoming graduation. Spring, Summer 09?
hanson
PS:
.... but... Androcles is right in that:
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....Eric wrote:
The designers, specifications, independent experiments,
and test systems indicate otherwise.hanson wrote:
Eric, when you finally graduate & you'll get, long last, your BSc,
and you'll move to get a paying job... then 2 things will happen:
Your new environment will cure your Einstein Dingleberryism
and you will come to see that
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....Good luck for you upcoming graduation. Spring, Summer 09?
hanson
E
Eric Gisse
[...]
PS:
... but... Androcles is right in that:
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....
Eric wrote:
The designers, specifications, independent experiments,
and test systems indicate otherwise.
hanson wrote:
Eric, when you finally graduate & you'll get, long last, your BSc,
and you'll move to get a paying job... then 2 things will happen:
Your new environment will cure your Einstein Dingleberryism
and you will come to see that
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....
Why do the designers, specifications, independent experiments, and
test systems indicate otherwise?
S
Sue...
"hanson" <[email protected]> wrote:[...]
PS:
... but... Androcles is right in that:
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....Eric wrote:The designers, specifications, independent experiments,
and test systems indicate otherwise.hanson wrote:===Eric, when you finally graduate & you'll get, long last, your BSc,
and you'll move to get a paying job... then 2 things will happen:
Your new environment will cure your Einstein Dingleberryism
and you will come to see that
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....
Why do the designers, specifications, independent experiments, and
test systems indicate otherwise?
It is probably for the same reason your local
police drives Fords instead of Chevrolets.
A cop in a Ford isn't proof that Chevys are
unserviceable but don't expect anyone at Ford to
go out of their way to drive that point home.
Sue...
E
Eric Gisse
===[...]
PS:
... but... Androcles is right in that:
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....
Eric wrote:
The designers, specifications, independent experiments,
and test systems indicate otherwise.
hanson wrote:
Eric, when you finally graduate & you'll get, long last, your BSc,
and you'll move to get a paying job... then 2 things will happen:
Your new environment will cure your Einstein Dingleberryism
and you will come to see that
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....
Why do the designers, specifications, independent experiments, and
test systems indicate otherwise?
It is probably for the same reason your local
police drives Fords instead of Chevrolets.
A cop in a Ford isn't proof that Chevys are
unserviceable but don't expect anyone at Ford to
go out of their way to drive that point home.
http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA058591
"This report discusses the launch and preliminary results, which
include verification of the relativistic clock effect."
I do not understand the function of the denials.
S
Sue...
[...]
PS:
... but... Androcles is right in that:
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....
Eric wrote:
The designers, specifications, independent experiments,
and test systems indicate otherwise.
hanson wrote:
Eric, when you finally graduate & you'll get, long last, your BSc,
and you'll move to get a paying job... then 2 things will happen:
Your new environment will cure your Einstein Dingleberryism
and you will come to see that
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....===
Why do the designers, specifications, independent experiments, and
test systems indicate otherwise?It is probably for the same reason your local
police drives Fords instead of Chevrolets.===A cop in a Ford isn't proof that Chevys are
unserviceable but don't expect anyone at Ford to
go out of their way to drive that point home.
http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identi....
"This report discusses the launch and preliminary results, which
include verification of the relativistic clock effect."
I do not understand the function of the denials.
Results 11 - 19 of 19 for "relativistic clock effect"
How old did you say this theory is?
Sue...
T
Tom Potter
Eric Gisse said:[...]
PS:
... but... Androcles is right in that:
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....
Eric wrote:
The designers, specifications, independent experiments,
and test systems indicate otherwise.
hanson wrote:
Eric, when you finally graduate & you'll get, long last, your BSc,
and you'll move to get a paying job... then 2 things will happen:
Your new environment will cure your Einstein Dingleberryism
and you will come to see that
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....
Why do the designers, specifications, independent experiments, and
test systems indicate otherwise?
Hopefully Eric Gisse will start with the basic General Relativity equation
and demonstrate an audit trail showing where the equation is
in the GPS "specifications", and show where the designers
and computer programmers actually used General Relativity.
No doubt the term "relativity" has been used generically
to indicate the Doppler Effect and the Galileo Effect
but as can be seen, none of the General Relativity Cultists
or Gurus have ever demonstrated an actual instance where
General Relativity was used.
A couple of the Gurus on the taxpayer dole
make the claim that General Relativity was and is
essential to the GPS System, but any system engineer
knows that if you know what the constants are
and what the factors are, it is a simple matter
to compensate for them, and what you call these
adjustments is more politics and hype than reality,
and any system engineer knows that if there are
uncontrollable variables in the system (Like weather)
it is necessary to monitor and compensate for them
if you want to obtain greater accuracy.
I will be looking forward to seeing Gisse
start with the basic General Relativity equation
and show the audit trail to the hardware and software.
No doubt the frequency of oscillators is affected by
acceleration (Altitude),
but Galileo and Newton knew this centuries ago,
and no doubt if an observer has a velocity with respect to
a frequency source, it will affect what he observes,
but Doppler knew this decades ago.
--
Tom Potter
http://tdp1001.spaces.live.com/
http://www.tompotter.us/misc.html
http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html
http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potter/
http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com
http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dingleberry.htm
S
Sue...
[...]
PS:
... but... Androcles is right in that:
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....
Eric wrote:
The designers, specifications, independent experiments,
and test systems indicate otherwise.
hanson wrote:
Eric, when you finally graduate & you'll get, long last, your BSc,
and you'll move to get a paying job... then 2 things will happen:
Your new environment will cure your Einstein Dingleberryism
and you will come to see that
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....
===
Why do the designers, specifications, independent experiments, and
test systems indicate otherwise?
It is probably for the same reason your local
police drives Fords instead of Chevrolets.
A cop in a Ford isn't proof that Chevys are
unserviceable but don't expect anyone at Ford to
go out of their way to drive that point home.
===
"This report discusses the launch and preliminary results, which
include verification of the relativistic clock effect."I do not understand the function of the denials.
Results 11 - 19 of 19 for "relativistic clock effect"
Results 1 - 10 of about 110,000 for "meissner effect". (0.07 seconds)
<<discovered the phenomenon in 1933 >>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect
How old did you say this theory is?
<<Because the media bombard us with nonsense,
it is useful to consider the earmarks of
pseudoscience. The presence of even
--> one <--
of these should arouse great suspicion.
On the other hand, material displaying
none of these flaws might still be pseudoscience, because its
adherents invent new ways to fool themselves every day. >>
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pseudo.html
Sue...
E
Eric Gisse
[...]
PS:
... but... Androcles is right in that:
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....
Eric wrote:
The designers, specifications, independent experiments,
and test systems indicate otherwise.
hanson wrote:
Eric, when you finally graduate & you'll get, long last, your BSc,
and you'll move to get a paying job... then 2 things will happen:
Your new environment will cure your Einstein Dingleberryism
and you will come to see that
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....
===
Why do the designers, specifications, independent experiments, and
test systems indicate otherwise?
It is probably for the same reason your local
police drives Fords instead of Chevrolets.
A cop in a Ford isn't proof that Chevys are
unserviceable but don't expect anyone at Ford to
go out of their way to drive that point home.
http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identi..."This report discusses the launch and preliminary results, which
include verification of the relativistic clock effect."
I do not understand the function of the denials.
Results 11 - 19 of 19 for "relativistic clock effect"
Results 1 - 10 of about 110,000 for "meissner effect". (0.07 seconds)
Now that the ink has been squirted, the squid can escape.
[snip rest]
T
Tom Potter
[snip]
Here comes the chronic liar to lend support with no literature
references and no intelligent commentary.
I am pleased to see that Eric Gisse,
who claim to be a high school grad
is interested in "intelligent commentary".
Considering that Gisse claims that General Relativity
was and is essential to the GPS System,
hopefully he will start with the basic General Relativity equation,
and provide references to ACTUAL hardware and computer programs
that use the equation, and show why this cannot be done
with simple offsets and factors.
I must point out that using the same unproven
reference paper by some guy on the taxpayer dole,
is not proof of anything, except feathering his nest,
and clinging to the generic use of "relativity effects"
in various publications
to indicate the Doppler Effect and the Galileo Effect
is also proof of nothing, except the term "relativity"
has been vastly over hyped by the mass media.
General Relativity Cultists cling to the generic phrase "relativity effects"
like Christians cling to "For God so loved the world...",
and Muslims cling to "God is great.",
and Jews cling to "Trust me."
When a General Relativity Cultists
sees or hears the phrase "relativity effect"
they accept it as fact, and no proof is required.
--
Tom Potter
http://tdp1001.spaces.live.com/
http://www.tompotter.us/misc.html
http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html
http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potter/
http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com
http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dingleberry.htm
S
Sue...
Now that the ink has been squirted, the squid can escape.
Cat got your tongue ?
How old did you say this theory is?
Results 11 - 19 of 19 for "relativistic clock effect"
Results 1 - 10 of about 110,000 for "meissner effect".
<<discovered the phenomenon in 1933 >>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect
<<Because the media bombard us with nonsense,
it is useful to consider the earmarks of
pseudoscience. The presence of even
--> one <--
of these should arouse great suspicion.
On the other hand, material displaying
none of these flaws might still be pseudoscience,
because its adherents invent new ways to fool
themselves every day. >>
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pseudo.html
How old did you say this theory is?
How old did you say this theory is?
Sue...
T
Tom Potter
Sam Wormley said:Hey Koobee, I take it you've never owned a GPS receiver. Four locked
and tracked satellites does not guarantee a PVT solution. Also, I've
pointed out to you if the time up there is different from the time
down here, the GPS does work worth shit.
Get a life.. get an education... read before spewing... Oh and you
appear kinda stoooped, like an uneducated hillbilly, going around
shrugging all the time.
It is interesting to see that Sam Wormley
is ignorant of what his "betters",
those Alabama "hillbillies",
are doing with the GPS system.
As can be seen from the web site below,
these "hillbillies" are using GPS to
map flood planes, traffic lights, power lines, gas lines,
fire stations, fire hydrants, hospitals, traffic cams, railroads, etc.
and are even mapping the layout of schools
and public buildings so they can respond to fires,
tornados, terrorism, and other emergencies.
Hopefully Sammy will provide references
to what his state and his school is doing along these lines.
Perhaps they are so consumed with General Relativity babble,
that they do not have the time and money
to do useful things for mankind.
I might also point out that the "Hillbilly" gal that heads the project
is better looking than Miss America.
http://apb.directionsmag.com/archiv...-Video-on-Virtual-Alabama-Implementation.html
I was surprised to see that Sammy does not know
how an Earth bound GPS receiver can determine
the system time, and its' location from data
transmitted by four satellites.
I would explain this in detail, step by step,
but why waste my time when a General Relativity Cultist
puts more faith in the phrase "relativity effect"
than they do in a logical sequence of steps.
When a General Relativity Cultist
sees or hears the term "relativity effect"
they accept it as fact.
--
Tom Potter
http://tdp1001.spaces.live.com/
http://www.tompotter.us/misc.html
http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html
http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potter/
http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com
http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dingleberry.htm
Satellite #1 transmits system time and its' location in orbit.
As it takes between
t this point, the GPS receiver knows the time within
--
Tom Potter
http://tdp1001.spaces.live.com/
http://www.tompotter.us/misc.html
http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html
http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potter/
http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com
http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dingleberry.htm
E
Eric Gisse
[snip]Here comes the chronic liar to lend support with no literature
references and no intelligent commentary.
I am pleased to see that Eric Gisse,
who claim to be a high school grad
is interested in "intelligent commentary".
Considering that Gisse claims that General Relativity
was and is essential to the GPS System,
hopefully he will start with the basic General Relativity equation,
and provide references to ACTUAL hardware and computer programs
that use the equation, and show why this cannot be done
with simple offsets and factors.
It /is/ done with an offset in the frequency of the transmitted
signal, you stupid ****.
[snip]
S
Sue...
I do not understand the function of the denials.
Don't take it professionally, It is strictly personal.
I am not willing to argue that Einstein's GR didn't
contribute something to GPS. It was likely the best
but certainly not the only tool.
Tom Potter's earlier post well describes numerous other
crank interpretations that have tried to ride GPS's
coat-tails and Rory Coker's page offers sound advice
how that sort of conflation has to be viewed by a
scientist. There is no *comprehensive* relativity that
embraces every ambiguous or absurd interpretation
of the past 100 years so don't take on its defence with
knee-jerk advocacy.
You don't have to clear the mine-field. Just get
across it in one piece.
Kind regards,
Sue...