GPS World: USNO's Fountain: Time at 100 Trillionths of a Second

Discussion in 'General GPS Discussion' started by Sam Wormley, Jan 23, 2009.

  1. Sam Wormley

    Androcles Guest

    Hmmm... Let’s do a recap of the claim of GR and SR applied in GPS.

    All Einstein Dingleberries came out trumpeting GR and SR’s success on
    GPS. Little did they know how GPS really works. After moortel, a
    zealous Einstein Dingleberry itself, suddenly showed a link of how GPS
    signals are decoded by GPS receivers, it triggered a renaissance in
    scholarly works on the inner workings of GPS. The result enabled true
    scholars to show in very **JUNIOR-HIGH MATHEMATICS** that SR and GR
    need not to be applied for GPS to work.

    There are ones who have trouble with the junior-high mathematics and
    other Einstein Dingleberries who immediately saw a fallacy in their
    religion of SR and GR. The former group includes Sam and Professor
    Roberts, and the latter group includes the so-called professor
    Andersen who attempted to extend his belief in SR and GR with
    mysticism that there is something else very mysterious that SR and GR
    must be applied in order to work. Finally, Professor Roberts caught
    on to the junior-high mathematics and also jumped on the band wagon of
    supporting the so-called professor Andersen’s mysticism. Yes,
    Professor Roberts amplified the mysticism by sealing the nonsense in
    military works. He himself did not work in the defense industry and
    tried to bluff his way into it by creating that Wizard of Oz.

    So, show me implicitly where GR and SR are applied in GPS. I have had
    enough of these lousy application notes written by zealous Einstein
    Dingleberries who did not understand how GPS really works. I also am
    not bluffed by these claims of something mysterious in the sub-system
    of GPS that requires SR and GR to function.

    In the meantime, the Einstein Dingleberries are still championing the
    following Orwellian school of thought:

    ** FAITH IS THEORY
    ** MYSTICISM IS WISDOM
    ** IGNORANCE IS KNOWLEDGE
    ** PLAGIARISM IS CREATIVITY
    ** CONJECTURE IS REALITY
    ** BELIEVING IS LEARNING
    ** LYING IS TEACHING

    <shrug>

    ============================================
    Koobee Wublee the aetherialist mystic cannot handle the junior
    high-school mathematics of Sagnac and the ring laser gyroscope.

    In the meantime, the Maxwell/Lorentz/Fitzgerald Dingleberries are
    still championing the following Orwellian school of thought:

    ** MYSTICAL AETHER IS ECTOPLASM
    ** FAITH IS THEORY
    ** MYSTICISM IS WISDOM
    ** IGNORANCE IS KNOWLEDGE
    ** PLAGIARISM IS CREATIVITY
    ** CONJECTURE IS REALITY
    ** BELIEVING IS LEARNING
    ** LYING IS TEACHING
    <shrug>
     
    Androcles, Feb 2, 2009
  2. Hmmm... Sagnac has shown to be of null effect. When is Androcles
    going to understand the concept of zero?

    In the meantime, the pagan belief of Androcles in which light
    corpuscles are ballistic in nature is proven false by
    electromagnetism. As any scholars would attest to it that the
    computer which Androcles attempts to write software to program is
    bounded by electromagnetism. <shrug>
     
    Koobee Wublee, Feb 2, 2009
  3. All he can do is to toss around these lousy application notes written
    by Einstein Dingleberries that he himself cannot have possibly
    Sam like myself also had/has a great canine friend except that mine is
    a black lab still alive and behaving very much like a puppy after 11
    years of companionship through thousands of miles in the Appalachians
    and the Rockies. Hell, Kublai might be the reincarnation of Willow
    since Kublai was born in late 1997. Other than that, Sam pathetically
    still believes in pagan rituals. <shrug>
     
    Koobee Wublee, Feb 2, 2009
  4. Androcles is a well known expert on DIVISION BY ZERO.
     
    Helmut Wabnig, Feb 2, 2009
  5. Sam Wormley

    Androcles Guest

    Hmmm... Sagnac has shown to be of null effect.
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    HAHAHAHA!

    A typical case of * LYING IS TEACHING *

    http://www.phys.canterbury.ac.nz/research/laser/index.shtml

    Lying Koobee Wublee the aetherialist mystic Maxwell Dingleberry
    cannot handle the junior high-school mathematics of Sagnac and
    the ring laser gyroscope, he knows NOTHING about it.


    A Wublee NULL result:
    The first experimental ring laser gyroscope was demonstrated in the US by
    Macek and Davis in 1963. The technology has since been developed by a number
    of companies and establishments world-wide. Many tens of thousands of RLGs
    are operating in inertial navigation systems and have established high
    accuracy, with better than 0.01°/hour bias uncertainty, and mean time
    between failures in excess of 60,000 hours.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_laser_gyroscope


    In the meantime, the Maxwell/Lorentz/Fitzgerald Dingleberries are
    still championing the following Orwellian school of thought:

    ** MYSTICAL AETHER IS ECTOPLASM
    ** FAITH IS THEORY
    ** MYSTICISM IS WISDOM
    ** IGNORANCE IS KNOWLEDGE
    ** PLAGIARISM IS CREATIVITY
    ** CONJECTURE IS REALITY
    ** BELIEVING IS LEARNING
    ** LYING IS TEACHING
    <shrug>
     
    Androcles, Feb 2, 2009
  6. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest

    Koobee ought to do a little background reading. However, if junior-high
    (now commonly referred to an Middle School) mathematics is all he can
    handle... he might get discouraged.

    http://edu-observatory/gps/gps_books.html#relativity

    "Relativity in the Global Positioning System" by Neil Ashby
    "Relativistic Effects on Satellite Clocks" by Neil Ashby
    "General Relativity in the Global Positioning System" by Neil Ashby
    "Can GPS Test Gravity's Speed of Propagation?" by Neil Ashby
    "General Relativity in the Global Positioning System" by Neil Ashby

    "Relativity of GPS Measurement" by Thomas B Bahder
    "Real-World Relativity: The GPS Navigation System" by Richard W. Pogge
    "Student Project on the Global Positioning System" by E.F. Taylor
    "Einstein's Relativity and Everyday Life" by Clifford M. Will
    "General Relativity in the Global Positioning System" by Clifford M. Will
     
    Sam Wormley, Feb 2, 2009
  7. Sam Wormley

    Androcles Guest

    Wabbie is a well-known fuckhead, just like Kinky Wobbly.

    Null effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_laser_gyroscope
    Null effect: http://tinyurl.com/265p8j
    Null effect: http://www.phys.canterbury.ac.nz/research/laser/index.shtml

    In the meantime, Sagnac doesn't have a null effect.
    In the meantime Wobbly is a LIAR.

    In the meantime, the Maxwell/Lorentz/Fitzgerald Dingleberries are
    still championing the following Orwellian school of thought:

    ** MYSTICAL AETHER IS ECTOPLASM
    ** FAITH IS THEORY
    ** MYSTICISM IS WISDOM
    ** IGNORANCE IS KNOWLEDGE
    ** PLAGIARISM IS CREATIVITY
    ** CONJECTURE IS REALITY
    ** BELIEVING IS LEARNING
    ** LYING IS TEACHING
    <shrug>
     
    Androcles, Feb 2, 2009
  8. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest

    Perhaps Koobee has some touble digesting the relativistic corrections
    applied to global navigation satellite systems (GNSS). A "proper"
    discussion might include some of the details of those relativistic
    correction. I would be happy to engage Koobee in those discussions
    right here, right now!
     
    Sam Wormley, Feb 2, 2009
  9. Sam Wormley

    Strich.9 Guest

    Thanks for the information.

    Let me recap... Here are the Einstein defenders...

    Anderthal - pretend professor from norway.
    Sam - community college teacher.
    Eric - physics BS flunkie
    PD - children's book writer
    Tom Roberts - backwater IIT professor.

    No wonder we can not convince them that relativity is wrong. They are
    simply not intelligent enough to elevate their understanding. They
    must be so happy ekking out a meager salary, living in a duplex, and
    driving a 10 year old corolla that they think upholding the status quo
    of relativity keeps them in their great positions in life...
     
    Strich.9, Feb 2, 2009
  10. Sam Wormley

    hanson Guest

    ------- AHAHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha... HAHHAHAHA....Koobee Wublee wrote:
    Hmmm... Let’s do a recap of the claim of GR and SR applied in GPS.
    All Einstein Dingleberries came out trumpeting GR and SR’s success on
    GPS. Little did they know how GPS really works. After moortel, a
    zealous Einstein Dingleberry itself, suddenly showed a link of how GPS
    signals are decoded by GPS receivers, it triggered a renaissance in
    scholarly works on the inner workings of GPS. The result enabled true
    scholars to show in very **JUNIOR-HIGH MATHEMATICS** that SR
    and GR need not to be applied for GPS to work.Sam, the Einsetin Dingleberry, wrote:
    Koobee ought to do a little background reading. However, if junior-high
    (now commonly referred to an Middle School) mathematics is all he can
    handle... he might get discouraged.
    http://edu-observatory/gps/gps_books.html#relativity
    "Relativity in the Global Positioning System" by Neil
    Ashby
    "Relativistic Effects on Satellite Clocks" by
    Neil Ashby
    "General Relativity in the Global Positioning System" by Neil Ashby
    "Can GPS Test Gravity's Speed of Propagation?" by Neil Ashby
    "General Relativity in the Global Positioning System" by Neil Ashby
    the rest of Sam's refs like Thomas B Bahder, E.F. Taylor, Clifford M.
    Will & Richard W. Pogge, in a hodge-podge of servings of additional
    Einstein Dingleberries, were mercifully snipped, becausehanson wrote:
    Wublee wrote: "**JUNIOR-HIGH MATHEMATICS** show that
    SR & GR need NOT to be applied for GPS to work.**. Even that
    should be changed to ".... for GPS to be DESCRIBED", which is
    ALL that SR/GR possibly can do.But even high-schoolers can do such a description, not with 39+
    equations that Einstein Dingleberries like Ashy need, but in 1 single
    fell swoop with Newtonian mechanix for that system, which yields
    the 38 u-sec: == (M_e /h ) * (2 G/c^2) * 86400 = 38 microsec ==
    see here: http://tinyurl.com/622an2 or http://tinyurl.com/57asbgor like Sam's mentor and teacher, Tom Potter, has stated, in a few
    lines with the equivalent, 442 10^12, in http://tinyurl.com/bngt5gBut even these alleged 38 u-secs are nothing but Einstein Dingle-
    berries themselves. They are only of consequence in the mental
    masturbations of NG resident Einstein Dingleberries when in fact,
    in the real world:#### **** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
    #### Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations...Androcles gives a very good account for the NO-NEED of the 38
    u-secs in the many of his tripes. Sam. learn from Potter, Androcles
    and Wublee. These guys are and were in industry where things are
    CREATED and not just pontificated about, Einstein Dingleberry
    style. Thanks for the laughs, though,.... ahahaha... ahahahansonPS:
    Here are some words about industry and GPS
    -------- http://tinyurl.com/aog8gq --------
    ****** Contains Einstein Dingleberries *******
    .... and charge 5 times the price for that stamp.
     
    hanson, Feb 2, 2009
  11. Sam Wormley

    Jon Guest

    Jon, Feb 2, 2009
  12. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest

    <laughing>

    Einstein's relativity doesn't need defenders!
    <laughing>
     
    Sam Wormley, Feb 2, 2009
  13. Notice the ex-Darb has walked away from claiming SR and GR necessity
    in GPS design. Even professors Andersen and Roberts have walked away
    from hard-core acceptance of GPS. However, they are still clinging on
    Sam has shown time to time refusing to discuss the subject matter.
    Time after time, all he can do is to repeat the sh*t throwing.
    <shrug>

    With quite a few Einstein Dingleberries abandoning hard-core belief in
    GPS, Sam is getting lonely. <shrug>
     
    Koobee Wublee, Feb 2, 2009
  14. Sam Wormley

    Eric Gisse Guest

    [snip]

    Putting aside the fact you have been posting from a VA hospital 5 days
    a week every week since September from 9 to 5....

    Why is it that people like you have to hide under a pseudonym? Is
    making relentless personal attacks made harder when your real name is
    associated with them?

    How about I start forwarding your messages to the VA abuse department?
    I'm sure they'd be interested in knowing government resources are
    being wasted in such a way on such a long term basis.
     
    Eric Gisse, Feb 2, 2009
  15. You can cry to anyone including your mommy all you want. At the end
    of the day, you are still a college drop-out. Ahahaha...
     
    Koobee Wublee, Feb 3, 2009
  16. Sam Wormley

    Eric Gisse Guest

    It takes a real man to sling insultes from the comforting safety of a
    pseudonym.
     
    Eric Gisse, Feb 3, 2009
  17. Sam Wormley

    Sam Wormley Guest

    Entertaining, isn't it, Jon! <laughing>

    Maybe somebody will learn something in the process... well maybe not!
    -Sam
     
    Sam Wormley, Feb 3, 2009
  18. That is not an insult. It is reality. Do you know what reality is?
    Hint: You remain a college drop-out. <shrug>

    It looks like you have finally capitulated from that nonsense of SR or
    GR playing any roles in GPS development. Ahahaha...

    Einstein Dingleberries will do anything to perpetuate their nonsense.
    However, in the case of GPS, it is junior-high mathematics that comes
    to the rescue. The myth promoted by Einstein Dingleberries is forever
    shattered by the simple but righteous junior-high mathematics.
    Ahahaha...

    In the meantime, I am still chuckling over Strich.9’s comments:

    Anderthal - pretend professor from norway.
    Sam - community college teacher.
    Eric - physics BS flunkie
    PD - children's book writer
    Tom Roberts - backwater IIT professor.

    Ahahaha...

    Thanks for the laughs, folks.
     
    Koobee Wublee, Feb 3, 2009
  19. Sam Wormley

    Tom Potter Guest

    Sammy make's a good point!

    What General Relativity needs is users!

    It is helpful to see how General Relativity is being under used
    compared to another scientific model.

    Watson's and Crick's DNA model
    is used every day in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
    the history of the Earth and Mankind, fighting crime, etc.

    I noticed in the news recently,
    that the DNA model was recently used to develop
    a new form of rice that will prevent 500,000 children
    from going blind EVERY YEAR,

    and was used to convert blood types,
    and that people with rare blood types will have a safe
    supply of blood in the future,

    and to find out that chickens are related genetically
    to dinosaur,

    and even to clone a lady's beloved dog.

    Considering that General Relativity
    is the model of choice when it comes to
    designing time travel machines, wrap drives, worm holes,
    and auguring the beginning and end of the universe,
    and of course, all the events in-between,

    the General Relativity Gurus should get busy and create some awesome things.

    The economy could sure use a time travel machine,
    or even a few worm holes to stuff garbage and global warming into.

    It would be profitable to use the auguring capacity of General Relativity
    to write a computer program to predict the future.
    An auguring system would sell well at race tracks and sporting events.

    No doubt the General Relativity was the greatest intellectual
    achievement of the 20th Century, as Einstein was declared
    "The Man of the Century" by Time Magazine,
    the New York Times, and the Washington Post.

    It's about time engineers got to work
    and used this great intellectual achievement
    to design some wonderful things.

    --
    Tom Potter
    http://tdp1001.spaces.live.com/
    http://www.tompotter.us/misc.html
    http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html
    http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potter/
    http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com
    http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos
    http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dingleberry.htm
     
    Tom Potter, Feb 3, 2009
  20. Sam Wormley

    Eric Gisse Guest

    [snip]
    http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA058591

    "Navigation Technology Satellite 2 (NTS-2) was successfully launched
    on June 23, 1977, into a near-12-hour circular orbit. Precise
    frequency and timing signals are derived from the two cesium frequency
    standards. This report discusses the launch and preliminary results,
    which include verification of the relativistic clock effect. An
    international time-transfer experiment is planned, and a worldwide
    synchronization accuracy of less than 100 nanoseconds is anticipated,
    based on preliminary time-transfer results between Cape Kennedy and
    the U.S. Naval Observatory. A proposed NASA laser-tracking network
    will be used to verify the accuracy of the Global Positioning System
    (GPS) orbits. (Author)"

    Your inability to read, comprehend, or adjust is nobody's problem but
    yours. FOAD.

    [snip]
     
    Eric Gisse, Feb 3, 2009
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