GPS World: USNO's Fountain: Time at 100 Trillionths of a Second

[hanson]

"Tom Potter" <tdp1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[snip]

Eric wrote:
Here comes the chronic liar to lend support with no literature
references and no intelligent commentary.Potter wrote:
I am pleased to see that Eric Gisse, who claim to be a high
school grad is interested in "intelligent commentary".Considering that Gisse claims that General Relativity was and
is essential to the GPS System, hopefully he will start with the
basic General Relativity equation, and provide references to
ACTUAL hardware and computer programs that use the equation,
and show why this cannot be done with simple offsets and factors.Eric wrote:
It /is/ done with an offset in the frequency of the transmitted
signal, you stupid ****.hanson wrote:
Easy, broser, Eric, ... the discussion appeared to have kept you
up all night into the weee hours of your dark Alaskan morning...
and made you uptight and angry..... ahahahaha... ahahahaha...But relax now and contemplate that in the GPS shops, in order
to adjust that "offset in the frequency", the techies do achieve this
SIMPLY by tweaking a resistor or a transistor here and there,
step by step, until they score the desired/needed outcome..
Nobody there needs any Einstein shit... ahahaha... AHAHAHA..
Eric...
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....Take care, young man & carry on... ahahaha... ahahahanson

 

[hanson]

[...]
PS: ... but... Androcles is right in that:
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....Eric wrote:
The designers, specifications, independent experiments,
and test systems indicate otherwise.hanson wrote:
Eric, when you finally graduate & you'll get, long last, your BSc,
and you'll move to get a paying job... then 2 things will happen:
Your new environment will cure your Einstein Dingleberryism
and you will come to see that**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....Eric wrote:
Why do the designers, specifications, independent experiments,
and test systems indicate otherwise?hanson wrote:
.... ahahaha... because the few that so are simply spec-writers,
fresh out of college... encouraged to do that to learn about
their company's products and services... The rest are Einstein
Dingleberries, like Ashby, who hope to get some credit AFTER
the fact, a typical Jewish MO, familiar from way back to Einstein
and Meissner, both prodigies of the Zio propaganda machine.Eric, when you finally graduate & you'll get, long last, your BSc,
and you'll move to get a paying job... then 2 things will happen:
Your new environment will cure your Einstein Dingleberryism
and you will come to see that**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....Good luck for you upcoming graduation. Spring, Summer 09?
hanson

 

[zzbunker]

----------------------
Please note   carefully what is written here
just above   !!!

GPS is not based on GR theory!!!

it is a rial and error technique   !!!
just write it before yourself
and internalize the conclusions
ie dont boggle our minds
that GPS is a  profe for GR  !!

Well, nobody claimed it was. GPS is mostly there since navy wanks
know too much about the Washington Beltway, and just about nothing
about Holograms, Cell Phones, Fiber Optics, Optical Computers,
Parallel Processors, RISC, AUVs, Cruise Missiles, Kinetic Weapons,
and Drones.

 

[Eric Gisse]

Don't take it professionally, It is strictly personal.

I am not willing to argue that Einstein's GR  didn't
contribute something to GPS.  It was likely the best
but certainly not the only tool.

There are a multitude of /other/ relatively minor corrections for
things like atmospheric and ionospheric effects. Nobody here argues
about them.

[...]

See what happens when you actually write an opinion instead of copying
and pasting an irrelevant one? You actually seem to be intelligent.

 

[Sue...]

There are a multitude of /other/ relatively minor corrections for
things like atmospheric and ionospheric effects. Nobody here argues
about them.

AFAIK all but the first SV launched had a
usable offset. If you think you can convince
the program to fix what aint broke and try a
different method yielding a different offset
I can guarantee some vigorous debate.

[...]

See what happens when you actually write an opinion instead of copying
and pasting an irrelevant one? You actually seem to be intelligent.

Flattery will get you more links. )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_image
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perception_management

Sue...

 

[Sam Wormley]

General Relativity Cultists cling to the generic phrase "relativity effects"
like Christians cling to "For God so loved the world...",
and Muslims cling to "God is great.",
and Jews cling to "Trust me."

When a General Relativity Cultists
sees or hears the phrase "relativity effect"
they accept it as fact, and no proof is required.

Relativistic Effects on Satellite Clocks
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5.html
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/frctfrq.png

Hey, Potter, GTR has directly contributed to a $30B+ GPS industry,
benefiting people all over the world. Aviation, shipping, asset
management, survey, mining, agriculture, time dissemination,
communications networks... and on and on!

Bluster on, Potter, bluster some more! Froth at the mouth! Whatever!

 

[Sam Wormley]

I will be looking forward to seeing Gisse
start with the basic General Relativity equation
and show the audit trail to the hardware and software.

No doubt the frequency of oscillators is affected by
acceleration (Altitude),
but Galileo and Newton knew this centuries ago,

and no doubt if an observer has a velocity with respect to
a frequency source, it will affect what he observes,
but Doppler knew this decades ago.

Relativistic Effects on Satellite Clocks
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5.html
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/frctfrq.png

Hey, Potter, GTR has directly contributed to a $30B+ GPS industry,
benefiting people all over the world. Aviation, shipping, asset
management, survey, mining, agriculture, time dissemination,
communications networks... and on and on!

Bluster on, Potter, bluster some more! Froth at the mouth! Whatever!

 

[hanson]

Tom Potter wrote:

[snipped Sam's willfully ignorant and misleading tripe]hanson wrote:
Potter should have corrected Sam's ignorant notion & said:Hey, Sam, GTR has NEVER contributed to industry, NOT to GPS,
NOT to Aviation, NOT to shipping, NOT to asset management,
NOT to survey, NOT to mining, NOT to agriculture, NOT to time
dissemination, NOT to communications networks... BUT, GTR
did & does benefit people, who are Einstein Dingleberries, in
their mental masturbations, all over the world. . and on and on!
Bluster on, Sam, bluster some more! Froth at the mouth! One
day you will have an orgasm... ahahaha... ahahahaha....Thanks for the laughs, though, Sam, ahahahaha... ahahanson

 

[Sam Wormley]

I was surprised to see that Sammy does not know
how an Earth bound GPS receiver can determine
the system time, and its' location from data
transmitted by four satellites.

What Potter fails to recognize that thae the Satellite clocks
must be synchronized with the ground based clocks. Relativistics
correction are necessary.

Relativistic Effects on Satellite Clocks
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5.html
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/frctfrq.png

GPS need the relativistic correction to function with any accuracy.
I suggest Potter take some time to do a bit of self education.
http://edu-observatory.org/gps/gps_books.html#Relativity

 

[Sam Wormley]

Considering that Gisse claims that General Relativity
was and is essential to the GPS System,
hopefully he will start with the basic General Relativity equation,
and provide references to ACTUAL hardware and computer programs
that use the equation, and show why this cannot be done
with simple offsets and factors.

Potter, you fail to recognize that Satellite clocks must be
synchronized with the ground based clocks. Relativistic
corrections are necessary.

Relativistic Effects on Satellite Clocks
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5.html
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/frctfrq.png

GNSS satellite clocks need the relativistic correction to function with
any accuracy. I suggest Potter take some time to do a bit of self education.
http://edu-observatory.org/gps/gps_books.html#Relativity

 

[Sue...]

   Potter, you fail to recognize that Satellite clocks must be
   synchronized with the ground based clocks. Relativistic
   corrections are necessary.

   Relativistic Effects on Satellite Clocks
     http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5....
     http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/frctfrq.png

   GNSS satellite clocks need the relativistic correction to functionwith
   any accuracy. I suggest Potter take some time to do a bit of self education.
     http://edu-observatory.org/gps/gps_books.html#Relativity

Sam,
You can't be both advocate and scientist.
Are you up to date on the latest rules
that restrict lobbyists in the U.S. ?

Your posts are almost as irritating as
Tom Potter's but we don't want ya posting
from a jail cell.

Sue...

P.S. If jail is the only place you can find broadband
and a flat screen, ask Barney for the key so you
can let yourself out.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=87342

 

[Sam Wormley]

Sam,
You can't be both advocate and scientist.
Are you up to date on the latest rules
that restrict lobbyists in the U.S. ?

Your posts are almost as irritating as
Tom Potter's but we don't want ya posting
from a jail cell.

Sue...

P.S. If jail is the only place you can find broadband
and a flat screen, ask Barney for the key so you
can let yourself out.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=87342

Dennis Sue, you should put me in your kill file. Regardless of
your like or dislike of my postings relating to resources about
relativity in the Global Positioning System, you should know that
relativistic correction are a necessary and integral part of GPS.

 

[who]

---------- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... -----------



who@2die4 wrote:

It is very sad that education cannot make mental illness pretty.

Androcles wrote:

It is irrelevant that you are emotional and hence mentally unstable.
Carry on weeping, it won't change anything.

who@2die4 wrote:

QED (and sorry to have offended you by diverting you from your child
storybook fantasy).

Androcles, inventor of "=========================" wrote:
 You are not sorry, you lying shit. That professed sadness is crocodile
tears. **** off and whine somewhere else that isn't a sci newsgroup.

:

 Ja vol, baby!  You sure are good at giving orders.  And you are very
reasonable and rational....and civilized also.  And people really like
you.

Androcles wrote:

The word is "jawohl", shithead, and I have no interest in your pathetic
emotional outbursts, you dumb ****.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jawohl

hanson wrote:

ahahahaha... Take it easy on the poor dude, Andro. Can't
you see:  "Ja vol"... "Oye weh"... "Go Figure"...  He is Jewish,
and like most Jews, "to die" is always on their mind, asking, like
he does, their existential question: "who@2die4" ... ahahaha...
Thanks for the laughs, guys!.. Carry on!... ahahahahanson

PS:
... but... Andro is right in that:
      **** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....

Criticism from you, andro, etc. is like high praise from people of
good character. I'm quoting you in my CV.

 

[Androcles]

---------- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... -----------



who@2die4 wrote:

It is very sad that education cannot make mental illness pretty.

Androcles wrote:

It is irrelevant that you are emotional and hence mentally unstable.
Carry on weeping, it won't change anything.

who@2die4 wrote:

QED (and sorry to have offended you by diverting you from your child
storybook fantasy).

Androcles, inventor of "=========================" wrote:
You are not sorry, you lying shit. That professed sadness is crocodile
tears. **** off and whine somewhere else that isn't a sci newsgroup.

:

Ja vol, baby! You sure are good at giving orders. And you are very
reasonable and rational....and civilized also. And people really like
you.

Androcles wrote:

The word is "jawohl", shithead, and I have no interest in your pathetic
emotional outbursts, you dumb ****.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jawohl

hanson wrote:

ahahahaha... Take it easy on the poor dude, Andro. Can't
you see: "Ja vol"... "Oye weh"... "Go Figure"... He is Jewish,
and like most Jews, "to die" is always on their mind, asking, like
he does, their existential question: "who@2die4" ... ahahaha...
Thanks for the laughs, guys!.. Carry on!... ahahahahanson

PS:
... but... Andro is right in that:
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....

Criticism from you, andro, etc. is like high praise from people of
good character. I'm quoting you in my CV.
=======================================

Don't confuse ahahahanson with me in your curriculum vitae, boy.
What are you applying for anyway, priest or social worker?
Whatever it is, it can't be anything scientific - you don't belong.
Have a good weep over your "sad" and "people like you" or any
other emotional crap colouring your judgement.

=======================================
Hanson, I seldom take it easy on anyone - but you already know that.

 

[hanson]

---------- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... -----------

Criticism from you, andro, etc. is like high praise from people of
good character. I'm quoting you in my CV.

Don't confuse ahahahanson with me in your curriculum vitae, boy.
What are you applying for anyway, priest or social worker?
Whatever it is, it can't be anything scientific - you don't belong.
Have a good weep over your "sad" and "people like you" or any
other emotional crap colouring your judgement.

Androcles, inventor of "=========================" wrote:
Hanson, I seldom take it easy on anyone - but you already know that.hanson wrote:
.... but consider the heavy lifting you are doing with/by not
taking it easy... and consider the heavy burden of karma
you are heaping upon yourself.... I hope that Sikh poster
Guru-man Dan Virdy Marzipan mahipal7638@gmail.com
will come by & administer to you...for your benefit.. Till then:
you, Andro, are right in that:

**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....and to boot, thanks for the laughs... ahahaha... ahahahanson

 

[hanson]

[Snip]

hanson wrote:
.... but... Andro is right in that:
**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****
Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....who@2die4.com> wrote:
Criticism from you, andro, etc. [1] is like high praise from
people of good character [2]. I'm quoting you in my CV. [3]hanson wrote:
..... ahahahaha... AHAHAHHAHA... ahahaha... AHAHAHA...
To [1]: What "Criticism"... There is no criticism. These are
well meant opinions only, exclusively for your benefit. For
your misjudgment here, you'll be denied 3 "attaboys"
To [2]: You just redeemed yourself. You are a man of
extremely good and classy judgment. For that you
get 7 "attaboys"
To [3]: You are bending backwards now and outdoing
yourself, for which you get anther 8 "attaboys".You are now the proud net-owner of a one "dozattaboy"
and there is no need for you to ask who@2die4 any longer,
especially since you have come to the realization that:**** GPS NEVER NEEDED neither SR nor GR ****Not for its design, manufacturing, testing nor operations....Thanks for the laughs!... ahahahaha... ahahahahanson

 

[hanson]

Tom Potter wrote:

[snipped Sam's willfully ignorant and misleading tripe]hanson wrote:
Potter should have corrected Sam's ignorant notion & said:Hey, Sam, GTR has NEVER contributed to industry, NOT to GPS,
NOT to Aviation, NOT to shipping, NOT to asset management,
NOT to survey, NOT to mining, NOT to agriculture, NOT to time
dissemination, NOT to communications networks... BUT, GTR
did & does benefit people, who are Einstein Dingleberries, in
their mental masturbations, all over the world. . and on and on!
Bluster on, Sam, bluster some more! Froth at the mouth! One
day you will have an orgasm... ahahaha... ahahahaha....Thanks for the laughs, though, Sam, ahahahaha... ahahanson

 

[hanson]

Tom Potter wrote:

[snipped Sam's willfully ignorant and misleading tripe]hanson wrote:
Potter should have corrected Sam's ignorant notion & said:Hey, Sam, GTR has NEVER contributed to industry, NOT to GPS,
NOT to Aviation, NOT to shipping, NOT to asset management,
NOT to survey, NOT to mining, NOT to agriculture, NOT to time
dissemination, NOT to communications networks... BUT, GTR
did & does benefit people, who are Einstein Dingleberries, in
their mental masturbations, all over the world. . and on and on!
Bluster on, Sam, bluster some more! Froth at the mouth! One
day you will have an orgasm... ahahaha... ahahahaha....Thanks for the laughs, though, Sam, ahahahaha... ahahanson

 

[hanson]

Tom Potter wrote:

Tom Potter wrote:

[snipped Sam's willfully ignorant and misleading tripe]hanson wrote:
Potter should have corrected Sam's ignorant notion & said:Hey, Sam, GTR has NEVER contributed to industry, NOT to GPS,
NOT to Aviation, NOT to shipping, NOT to asset management,
NOT to survey, NOT to mining, NOT to agriculture, NOT to time
dissemination, NOT to communications networks... BUT, GTR
did & does benefit people, who are Einstein Dingleberries, in
their mental masturbations, all over the world. . and on and on!
Bluster on, Sam, bluster some more! Froth at the mouth! One
day you will have an orgasm... ahahaha... ahahahaha....Thanks for the laughs, though, Sam, ahahahaha... ahahanson

 

[Koobee Wublee]

Listen again. Since a GPS receiver can obtain the almanac data from
at least four satellites, the receiver can generate a set of four
equations with four unknowns. The unknowns can be solved to identify
the space and time information. It now makes no difference if the
satellites are synchronized with the ground stations as long as the
satellites are all synchronized which is much an easier task to
achieve. <shrug>

Guys, why are you wasting so much to answer to this not-funny,not-
educated, stupid troll???

[Remaining very toxic diarrhea cleansed]

Hmmm... Let’s do a recap of the claim of GR and SR applied in GPS.

All Einstein Dingleberries came out trumpeting GR and SR’s success on
GPS. Little did they know how GPS really works. After moortel, a
zealous Einstein Dingleberry itself, suddenly showed a link of how GPS
signals are decoded by GPS receivers, it triggered a renaissance in
scholarly works on the inner workings of GPS. The result enabled true
scholars to show in very **JUNIOR-HIGH MATHEMATICS** that SR and GR
need not to be applied for GPS to work.

There are ones who have trouble with the junior-high mathematics and
other Einstein Dingleberries who immediately saw a fallacy in their
religion of SR and GR. The former group includes Sam and Professor
Roberts, and the latter group includes the so-called professor
Andersen who attempted to extend his belief in SR and GR with
mysticism that there is something else very mysterious that SR and GR
must be applied in order to work. Finally, Professor Roberts caught
on to the junior-high mathematics and also jumped on the band wagon of
supporting the so-called professor Andersen’s mysticism. Yes,
Professor Roberts amplified the mysticism by sealing the nonsense in
military works. He himself did not work in the defense industry and
tried to bluff his way into it by creating that Wizard of Oz.

So, show me implicitly where GR and SR are applied in GPS. I have had
enough of these lousy application notes written by zealous Einstein
Dingleberries who did not understand how GPS really works. I also am
not bluffed by these claims of something mysterious in the sub-system
of GPS that requires SR and GR to function.

In the meantime, the Einstein Dingleberries are still championing the
following Orwellian school of thought:

** FAITH IS THEORY
** MYSTICISM IS WISDOM
** IGNORANCE IS KNOWLEDGE
** PLAGIARISM IS CREATIVITY
** CONJECTURE IS REALITY
** BELIEVING IS LEARNING
** LYING IS TEACHING

<shrug>